Stephanie Mills on Michael (she says they dated)

[~Vicky~]

http://www.stephaniemillsmusic.com/site/images/gallery/05.jpg
She and Michael worked together in the movie 'The Wiz'.

http://www.power99.com/dreamteam/audio/ste...phaniemills.mp3 (http://www.power99.com/dreamteam/audio/stephaniemills.mp3)

I haven't listened to it, I'm just going to post a summary of what she said that was typed up by someone on MJJF.

Synopsis of the interview
- they dated when he was doing the wiz
- she thought she would marry him but she must have been too dark
- they didn't have sex
- they kissed, he's a great kisser
- he was very loving, very caring
- she saw him in his underwear, he was cute in his underwear (he must have been really cute because she says it several times)
- she never saw him naked
- she used to do his laundry, she would come to spend the night and they would go together to the laundry
- he was a regular kind of guy, she doesn't know what happened after Thriller and all that, it's like he became another person
- she thinks he's innocent of the allegations

Oh, so he didn't marry her because she was too dark? Um, girlie maybe he didn't feel THAT strong about you. :laugh

He was only friggin 19, but I guess..anyone would fall hard for him.

:)

[SpecialJanet25]

Hey, I bet a lot people didn't know they dated. I always like Stephanie Mills and God Bless her for the positive remarks about Mike. I never her in the Broadway version of the Wiz.

[HoldMeThrillMe]

And God damn her for making race an issue.

[~Vicky~]

R&B and Broadway legend Stephanie Mills said she backs Jackson, although she hasn't had much personal contact with the entertainer. Mills starred in the theatrical version of "The Wiz"; Jackson played in the cinematic adaptation.

"I support Michael. I think a person is innocent until proven guilty. I think Michael is a genius at what he does. I can't speak on his choices and personal life because I know nothing about it," she said in an interview.


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That's was she was saying last year. She sounds then like she hardly knows him.

[HoldMeThrillMe]

I like this;

I can't speak on his choices and personal life because I know nothing about it," she said in an interview.

That's what everyone should say when they are asked to comment.

[~Vicky~]

Originally posted by HoldMeThrillMe
I like this;



That's what everyone should say when they are asked to comment.

mmhmm :)

[1984]

Hmm..strange Michael never said anything about them dating. i mean like in Moonwalk or something..(since he wrote about other people he liked).

oh well...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Sorin/MJ%20pix/girl2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Sorin/MJ%20pix/girl-s.jpg

She and Michael worked together in the movie 'The Wiz'.
but she wasnt in the movie tho...
:)

oh, and this,
- she thought she would marry him but she must have been too dark
just doesnt make any sense :careless

[~Vicky~]

Originally posted by 1984
Hmm..strange Michael never said anything about them dating. i mean like in Moonwalk or something..(since he wrote about other people he liked).

oh well...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Sorin/MJ%20pix/girl2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Sorin/MJ%20pix/girl-s.jpg


but she wasnt in the movie tho...
:)

oh, and this,

just doesnt make any sense :careless


She was in the broadway version, she helped with the movie production. :)

I didn't know who she was, maybe he was one of the girls Michael said he wouldn't mention because their names wouldn't mean anything to us. :laugh

[~Vicky~]

She def. had a nose job. :laugh

[1984]

Originally posted by NevaehDreamz
She was in the broadway version, she helped with the movie production. :)

I didn't know who she was, maybe he was one of the girls Michael said he wouldn't mention because their names wouldn't mean anything to us. :laugh
ooh, didnt know she was involved at all with the movie. only that she did the play.

no he does mention her, he says he became good friends with her and that he liked her in the play. but thats it.

[~Vicky~]

She has a new album coming out, I think that's why she letting all her **** out. She didn't say anything about this before.

[~Vicky~]

Originally posted by 1984
ooh, didnt know she was involved at all with the movie. only that she did the play.

no he does mention her, he says he became good friends with her and that he liked her in the play. but thats it.


1. Either, he didn't like her the way she liked him...
2. She's lying
3. She's exaggerating
4. He wanted it private..
5. He forgot.
6. He didn't feel strong enough about her to mention her
:laugh

[1984]

Originally posted by NevaehDreamz
1. Either, he didn't like her the way she liked him...
2. She's lying
3. She's exaggerating
4. He wanted it private..
5. He forgot.
6. He didn't feel strong enough about her to mention her
:laugh
lol i'm gonna go for all of 'em. :D

[~Vicky~]

Originally posted by 1984
lol i'm gonna go for all of 'em. :D

Haha. :laugh

[dangerous]

Originally posted by NevaehDreamz
1. Either, he didn't like her the way she liked him...
2. She's lying
3. She's exaggerating
4. He wanted it private..
5. He forgot.
6. He didn't feel strong enough about her to mention her
:laugh
he forgot... :laugh

shes to dark? :laugh whatever! gurl just mad she got dumped! :bustbubbl


:mjghetto all man :D

[~Vicky~]

Originally posted by dangerous
he forgot... :laugh

shes to dark? :laugh whatever! gurl just mad she got dumped! :bustbubbl


:mjghetto all man :D

I love you Ashley! lol

[HoldMeThrillMe]

LOL. Yeah all of the above sounds about right.

If no one knows about it, womunnn there's prolly a good reason for it!

[whisper]

Originally posted by dangerous
he forgot... :laugh

shes to dark? :laugh whatever! gurl just mad she got dumped! :bustbubbl


:mjghetto all man :D
Exactly! :laugh

[whisper]

If you can get past the ignant-ass comments from the DJs and Mills's bitching about the white/black issue, it's aight.

[Tiger Lilly]

Awww I think they looked cute together. But I think she felt more for him than he did for her or she's exaggerating. The race issue is pathetic! We all know Michael's not racist or shallow. Girl needs to admit she got ditched cos the relationship wasn't that strong, I mean Michael was only 19. But I give the woman her props for defending him. :thumbsup

[Phil]

Why is this person bring this up after all those years?

[~Vicky~]

^ new album. Why else? :laugh

[Cinnamon Gurl]

Good 4 her 4 saying nice things about michael!

But she coulda left the race thing out of it!

[IAte58Crayons]

She sure wasn't hesistant about answerin' some of those question. Gol-ly! She coulda left that "I was too dark" ish out of it, though. :blackeye That was below the belt. When that DJ belted out "Ease on down, ease on down the roooad! Dontchu carry nothin!" I was dying laughing. :crackingu But anyway back on the subject... she shouldn't have put so much of their personal business out there.

I kinda thought they had somethin' goin' on just by reading Moonwalk. He spoke very fondly of her... and when I read it I thought he kinda had a lil' crush on her, but I guess Ms Mills answered my question.

[Tiger Lilly]

O/T IAte58Crayons I looooove your username! :crackingu

[IAte58Crayons]

Thank ya, thank ya very much :D

[HeavenSent]

Originally posted by NevaehDreamz
1. Either, he didn't like her the way she liked him...
2. She's lying
3. She's exaggerating
4. He wanted it private..
5. He forgot.
6. He didn't feel strong enough about her to mention her
:laugh


Basically! :laugh

[InspirationMoonwalks]

Sounds as if she's pitching a book or something :2thinking :careless :laugh


On the whole, her defenses of Michael are prop-worthy and the personal tidbits (if true) are..um..interesting ( :laugh ), but she blew it with the racial comment... :footinmou :tickingti :pullhairo

[HeavenSent]

Yeah, she could have left race out of this. it makes her sound bitter. How does she know Michael's track record? He could have been just ready to move on. :D

[Cristine87]

Someone's bitter! Though, I don't blame her. I'd be frantic If I'd lost something that fine! LOL!

[HeavenSent]

Originally posted by Cristine87
Someone's bitter! Though, I don't blame her. I'd be frantic If I'd lost something that fine! LOL!
:laugh

[InspirationMoonwalks]

Originally posted by HeavenSent
:laugh

LOL, same here :pacifier :laugh

But in all seriousness, it is kinda a shame that Michael has lost the little bit of privacy he had to begin with as a result of this "case". I mean practically ever since it all began, it seems like every woman he did or even did not engage in a relationship with has come out of the woodwork and to the surface. How embarassing that must be for Michael, being the shy guy he is and all! It must really suck to be under the microscope like that, especially when the chicks seem to be just begging for attention :cryptic This definitely must be one of the downsides of fame.... :careless :2mjghetto

[minnie michael]

ohhht this news make me day.. :laugh anyway just wanna say thanks so much to that beautiful lady, she looks more attractive than she used to be...iixixiix :hiya xiii and errrrr... what she said about Michael is totally :hiya cutee.....xiiiii xiixix happy to know this...xiixix :clapping

[MJ Dreamer]

Does anyone have a transcript of this? I think I saw it posted on MJJF but I didn't read/save it.

[A.Beautiful.Mind]

I didn't really like the way she just dropped in that racial issue. Michael would never think that about an individual, Michael is black himself, so why would he say that?. Michael has previously said before that he loves all people of all races, and cultures etc.. I think she's just making up that excuse because she doesn't what to admit that she was dumped.

~Jamie~

[mello1]

Originally posted by HoldMeThrillMe
And God damn her for making race an issue.

Excuse me??? I don't know what you meant by that, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know the type of woman that MJ is attracted to. And if you are not a BW, you wouldn't understand the kind of pain that causes, whether intentional or not.

[privacy]

^^

If you don't know what Jess meant by that comment, why are you so offended by it?

[Baby girl]

Don't start an argument... It doesn't worth. All that was said here is that Stephanie Mills shouldn't have spoken about 'skin colour' reason to explain why Michael didn't marry her...

But I think her positive comments about Michael will influence lot of people so it's great. And even though Michael doesn't like to tell about his private life, it's good to hear he dates women. I mean most of the people who think he's guilty, also think he is because he doesn't date women. And why do they believe that? Because they never see Michael with a woman.

Of course there was LMP, but it was right after the allegations. Of course there was Debbie, but it was for having his children... I don't say it's true. But we must admit that is what people believe.

So except the racial issue of this interview and the fact that she said Michael changed right after Thriller, I think this interview will have good affect over some people who are undecided about Michael case.

Well, this was just my opinion. :bagoverhe

[privacy]

Don't start an argument... It doesn't worth.

I wasn't aware anyone was.

[Baby girl]

Originally posted by privacy
I wasn't aware anyone was.Sorry if I had a wrong impression then.

[mello1]

Originally posted by Baby girl
Don't start an argument... It doesn't worth. All that was said here is that Stephanie Mills shouldn't have spoken about 'skin colour' reason to explain why Michael didn't marry her...

Neither was I aware that an argument was pursuing.... I wanted to voice a different opinion from a perspective that a lot of you are not aware. Mills did not make racist statements, especially if it's the truth. It's a matter of Michael's preferences and she stated a fact.

[whisper]

Originally posted by mello1
Neither was I aware that an argument was pursuing.... I wanted to voice a different opinion from a perspective that a lot of you are not aware. Mills did not make racist statements, especially if it's the truth. It's a matter of Michael's preferences and she stated a fact.
But that's the point. SHe didn't state a "fact". She stated her opinion. She has no way of knowing whether or not Michael has dated any other african american woman. She wouldn't be privy to that information. Like I said earlier, almost nobody knew about her so what makes her think she (or us) would know about any other black (latino, white or any) woman unless Michael wanted us to? So again no, she's not stating a fact. She's stating her opinion.

[Cristine87]

Exactly, Whisper! She don't know Michael's track record like that & it's bad enough there are people out there who think Michael's ashamed of his race, he don't need some old flame saying he didn't stay with her because of her color. She doesn't need to add fuel to that fire!

[whisper]

Originally posted by Cristine87
Exactly, Whisper! She don't know Michael's track record like that & it's bad enough there are people out there who think Michael's ashamed of his race, he don't need some old flame saying he didn't stay with her because of her color. She doesn't need to add fuel to that fire!
Yep, that too. I just think it was...messy for her to assume that. Maybe he lost interest in HER and she's still trippin' on that b/c she's bought into all of this media nonsense.

I just think it was no point in bringing it up at all and projecting what seemed like her own insecurities onto him like that. This is someone who's probably been interested in and/or dated women of many different races and ethnic backgrounds; I have no way of knowing b/c he doesn't normally flaunt his relationships. He's also someone who's said the most beautiful woman in the world is Naiomi Campbell (I wish I can find that article), and she is FAR from a white woman.

[cecilia]

Half truths, half lies... I hate it!!! Lies mixed with truths, that's a dangerous attitude. I don't trust her a bit! :2thinking Was she too dark skin? But I guess Michael was also too dark those days... What the **** is she trying to insinuate??? :yuk

[senecajackson]

AAAW I think it's nice that they dated!
I would kill to see MJ in his underwear, and I'm pretty sure he's a hell of a kisser!!!
Lucky chick, I just didn't like that certain comment she made.

[mello1]

Originally posted by whisper
But that's the point. SHe didn't state a "fact". She stated her opinion. She has no way of knowing whether or not Michael has dated any other african american woman. She wouldn't be privy to that information. Like I said earlier, almost nobody knew about her so what makes her think she (or us) would know about any other black (latino, white or any) woman unless Michael wanted us to? So again no, she's not stating a fact. She's stating her opinion.


Oh come on now. I don't think that it's unreasonable to conclude from the individuals that we publically know about what his preference in women are. I don't know why you guys are so resistant to see the obvious or why his preferences would in and of itself be racist. Further, I would think that someone like Mills who actually knows the guy and has spent time with him in the past would be more privy to information than both you or I. Lastly, I did know about Mills' friendship with Jackson when it actually occurred so this is not new news to me.

[mello1]

Originally posted by Cristine87
Exactly, Whisper! She don't know Michael's track record like that & it's bad enough there are people out there who think Michael's ashamed of his race, he don't need some old flame saying he didn't stay with her because of her color. She doesn't need to add fuel to that fire!

We really don't know what Stephanie knows or don't know about Michael now. But I would suspect that she knew a lot about him during the time that they spent together in the past. Yet, I don't find it racist that she said that, I'm sry I don't. Nor do I find it racist over the preference in women that MJ chooses. People who has issues with who MJ dates is on THEM, not HIM.

[whisper]

Originally posted by mello1
Oh come on now. I don't think that it's unreasonable to conclude from the individuals that we publically know about what his preference in women are. I don't know why you guys are so resistant to see the obvious or why his preferences would in and of itself be racist. Further, I would think that someone like Mills who actually knows the guy and has spent time with him in the past would be more privy to information than both you or I. Lastly, I did know about Mills' friendship with Jackson when it actually occurred so this is not new news to me.
On you come now. Again, the point is that you can't "conclude" anything from what you see "publicly". There are even references to other women he's dated in his autobiography. But for obvious reasons, he's not goint to share those names b/c he may be trying to protect their privacy.

This is the same situation with people thinking that he doesn't give back to the black community b/c they don't SEE him riding around the streets of Harlem with the bullhorn talking about his charitible work.

You have no idea what his "preference" for women is. Even I'm not silly enough to think that he's only dated the 2 women he's married.

As for Mills's alleged "knowledge", by her own admission she hasn't heard from Michael since Thriller. This is not information coming from someone who's been around Michael everyday for the past 20 years. This is coming from someone who hasn't seen him in ages, nor knows anything about who he's dated or the races of those women.

By both the family and her own admission, he dated Tatiana Thumbtzen for a period of time. She isn't exactly a blonde haired, blue eyed woman.

I can make an argument about not being consumed or drawing conclusions simply by what you "see". Going by what we "see" where Michael Jackson is concerned would have caused us all to believe he "bleached" his skin before the vitiligo revelation. Well, you didn't "see" any signs of vitiligo, so that means he doesn't have it, right? Right?? Please.

[~Vicky~]

There have been a lot of wonderful women in my life, women whose names wouldn't mean anything to the readers of this book, and it would be unfair to discuss them because they are not celebrities and are unaccustomed to having their names in print. I value my privacy and therefore I respect theirs as well.


No one knows MJ's complete 'track' record. We know the public ones, but not the ones that he's had on the downlow.

Mills who actually knows the guy and has spent time with him in the past would be more privy to information than both you or I

Not True. They were friends..but I know that they weren't the best of friends to the point where she would know about all his past girlfriends, and the people he was involved with after her. He mentioned her in his book, but he didn't talk about her as if he was really close...as in lovers. She obviously felt more for him, than he felt for her.

I had seen the Broadway show too, which was certainly no letdown. I swear I saw it six or seven times. I later became very friendly with the star of the show, Stephanie Mills, the Broadway Dorothy. I told her then, and I've always believed since, that it was a tragedy that her performance in the play could not have been preserved on film. I cried time after time. As much as I like the Broadway stage, I don't think I'd want to play on it myself. When you give a performance, whether on record or on film, you want to be able to judge what you've done, to measure yourself and try to improve. You can't do that in an untaped or unrecorded performance. It makes me sad to think of all the great actors who have played roles we would give anything to see, but they're lost to us because they couldn't be, or simply weren't, recorded.

If I had been tempted to go onstage, it would probably have been to work with Stephanie, although her performances were so moving that I might have cried right there in front of the audience. Motown bought The Wiz for one reason, and as far as I was concerned, it was the best reason possible: Diana Ross.

You see how he ends that whole thing, talking about Diana..in such a way that you KNOW he felt a lot for her. Michael didn't think of Stephanie as a lover obviously.

and I guess you'd have to say she was my first love - after Diana. When I heard Diana Ross was getting married, I was happy for her because I knew it would make her very joyous. Still, it was hard for me, because I had to walk around pretending to be overwhelmed that Diana was getting married to this man I'd never met. I wanted her to be happy, but I have to admit that I was a bit hurt and a little jealous because I've always loved Diana and always will.

Wasn't Michael attracted to Diana Ross? Michael never has any trouble admitting to that.

Even if his public relationships have all been with white women, that doesn't make him a racist. That was a stupid statment Mello1. Don't throw that word around so loosely..Michael and racist in the same sentence is stupid. Especially since the man is black, as his whole family is..or are you one to believe that he's changed his skin color purposley because of that reason?

[HeavenSent]

Oooh. this thread's about to go off the chain. I love discussion.

Even if his public relationships have all been with white women, that doesn't make him a racist
Vicky: ^ Mello1 stated that she/he doesn't think it's racist for Michael to choose whom he's chosen over the years.

Bottom line. We don't know ISH about Michael's private relationships. Who he prefers, who he doesn't. He has never layed it out for us and the only thing we can go off of is what he has publically offered. But it ain't enough.

No, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that what Stephanie said is true. But we can't sit here and claim otherwise either. What we can conclude is based on common sense. Common sense would tell us that as long Michael is isn't all free and willing w/his love life, we won't know nada.

[~Vicky~]

By both the family and her own admission, he dated Tatiana Thumbtzen for a period of time. She isn't exactly a blonde haired, blue eyed woman.

That's one we wouldn't have known about if she and his family didn't say something. So what makes you think there aren't others? I don't think it's Michael's duty to tell the public everyone he's dated.

Yes his public relationships have been with white women, but like I said PUBLIC relations.

But I understand why a lot of black people see things a certain way, some of us just want to see him with his own at least once, so we don't feel left out.

Others need some kind of re-assurance that he's not turned away from his own race, which isn't the case.

[~Vicky~]

Originally posted by HeavenSent

Vicky: ^ Mello1 stated that she/he doesn't think it's racist for Michael to choose whom he's chosen over the years.


ohh, I see.

[HeavenSent]

Originally posted by NevaehDreamz
But I understand why a lot of black people see things a certain way, some of us just want to see him with his own at least once, so we don't feel left out.

Others need some kind of re-assurance that he's not turned away from his own race, which isn't the case.
As a black woman, it peeves me when people try to justify NOT dating/marrying someone of their own while dating outside their race. It's like if you're gonna do it, do it. But don't put an entire group down in the process. That's when it bugs me.

I've steered off the subject of Mike a bit. My thing is not to sit here and try to mull over anyone's preferences. I stated in one of my threads, that it's not a fans duty to try and control Michael and the decisions he makes because we're unhappy with it. I've said it before and I'll said it again, Michael's been lonely by his own admission. I want to see him happy so badly I don't care what color she is, lol. Maybe we should just chalk Stephanie's comment up to being bitter, lol.

[Cristine87]

I'm enjoying this little discussion!

[HeavenSent]

^^lol, me too.

[Cristine87]

I just think it was out of line for her to make that comment!

[~Vicky~]

Originally posted by HeavenSent
As a black woman, it peeves me when people try to justify NOT dating/marrying someone of their own while dating outside their race. It's like if you're gonna do it, do it. But don't put an entire group down in the process. That's when it bugs me.

I've steered off the subject of Mike a bit. My thing is not to sit here and try to mull over anyone's preferences. I stated in one of my threads, that it's not a fans duty to try and control Michael and the decisions he makes because we're unhappy with it. I've said it before and I'll said it again, Michael's been lonely by his own admission. I want to see him happy so badly I don't care what color she is, lol. Maybe we should just chalk Stephanie's comment up to being bitter, lol.

:laugh yea. I don't care who it is either. I just want to see him settled down with someone that will stick with him until the end. Someone that will make him happy..he's just about to turn 46...where is SHE?!?!

[Cristine87]

Originally posted by NevaehDreamz
..he's just about to turn 46...where is SHE?!?!





Give me some time, I'll get to him! :laugh

[privacy]

I agree with most of you guys. I just think her comment was very bitter. Michael has seen women of more than one race.

I don't think that it's unreasonable to conclude from the individuals that we publically know about what his preference in women are.

Huh?

Debbie, Lisa, Tatiana, has admired Diana Ross. That's all I personally know about, but then I haven't taken much interest in his past love life.

I don't think that it's unreasonable to conclude from the individuals that we publically know about, that we DONT know his preference. Who's to say he HAS one??

Ya never know, he might just fall for someone cus of their personality.

[~Vicky~]

Originally posted by Cristine87
Give me some time, I'll get to him! :laugh


Well, if you're the one..then your ass needs to hurry up!

[dangerous]

Maybe we should just chalk Stephanie's comment up to being bitter, lol.
Exactly. She doesn’t know what happened to Michael after Thriller/Bille Jean. My assumption is that Michael changed his damn phone number on her.

It bothers me when certain numb nuts who think they speak for the entire Black community get up on TV and start spreading complete blasphemy in regards to Michael’s apparent “Blackness” Point is, there is NO monolithic black ppl!!!! These lies are infused into the Black community and are reinforced when Michael is seen with one of them. Moronic Black ppl have been doggin Michael with his lack of “Blackness” for years, while over on the other side, he is constantly pushing down the boundaries that constrain him for being Black. No other celebrity as ever had to repeatedly, over and over and over again had to proclaim to the entire world, his/her love for their own kind. And if ppl STILL after all that have an issue with ish coming out from ppl who may or may not have even had contact with Michael within the last 20 years, then they themselves are straight tripping. I cant put it any other way. It is foolish, petty, and not even worth discussing. People who have a problem with Michael’s blackness, have a problem with THEIR OWN.

[~Vicky~]

Originally posted by dangerous
Exactly. She doesn’t know what happened to Michael after Thriller/Bille Jean. My assumption is that Michael changed his damn phone number on her.

It bothers me when certain numb nuts who think they speak for the entire Black community get up on TV and start spreading complete blasphemy in regards to Michael’s apparent “Blackness” Point is, there is NO monolithic black ppl!!!! These lies are infused into the Black community and are reinforced when Michael is seen with one of them. Moronic Black ppl have been doggin Michael with his lack of “Blackness” for years, while over on the other side, he is constantly pushing down the boundaries that constrain him for being Black. No other celebrity as ever had to repeatedly, over and over and over again had to proclaim to the entire world, his/her love for their own kind. And if ppl STILL after all that have an issue with ish coming out from ppl who may or may not have even had contact with Michael within the last 20 years, then they themselves are straight tripping. I cant put it any other way. It is foolish, petty, and not even worth discussing. People who have a problem with Michael’s blackness, have a problem with THEIR OWN.

Mhmm!

[whisper]

Originally posted by NevaehDreamz
That's one we wouldn't have known about if she and his family didn't say something. So what makes you think there aren't others? I don't think it's Michael's duty to tell the public everyone he's dated.

Yes his public relationships have been with white women, but like I said PUBLIC relations.

But I understand why a lot of black people see things a certain way, some of us just want to see him with his own at least once, so we don't feel left out.

Others need some kind of re-assurance that he's not turned away from his own race, which isn't the case.
Yep. Exactly. That's what I was trying to explain to mello.

[mello1]

Originally posted by whisper
On you come now. Again, the point is that you can't "conclude" anything from what you see "publicly".

You have no idea what his "preference" for women is. Even I'm not silly enough to think that he's only dated the 2 women he's married.


But isn't that what we ALL are doing? I can only go by what he chooses to publically expose and I'm not just referring to his recent marriages, but who he's publically been with thru out his career. Now, I don't find the need for the secrecy about who he dates, but fine, that's his business. I am making my comments on what I have seen.

Further, in my post, I made the distinction between what Mills knew back then and now, so there is not argument there.

Now, we all can choose to believe what we want to believe or not. And I'm strictly speaking of MJ's dating preferences and not what he has or has not done in the Black community, because this thread is about what Mills said.

And I still say that what she said was not racist and I stand by that.

We agree to disagree.

[mello1]

Originally posted by NevaehDreamz

Even if his public relationships have all been with white women, that doesn't make him a racist. That was a stupid statment Mello1. Don't throw that word around so loosely..Michael and racist in the same sentence is stupid. Especially since the man is black, as his whole family is..or are you one to believe that he's changed his skin color purposley because of that reason?

Look, I was trying to end this with Whisper, but there are some corrections you need to make right now. All of those quotes you had in that post were not all mine. Secondly, I don't know how or where or even why you came to the conclusion that I said, or implied that Michael Jackson is a racist. So, I take strong offense to your baseless allegations.

What I SAID WAS THAT I DIDN'T BELIEVE STEPHANIE MILLS' STATEMENT TO BE RACIST. That's a big difference. This is why we can't have conversations like this because people become so hysterical and upset over things that they cannot allow themselves to think about what someone has posted before they react.

I came to Mills' defense because this woman has come to Michael Jackson's defense by offering a rare insight of the man from a woman's perspective that you rarely get to see and I found it disturbing that she was being put down because of one thing that she said that's HER TRUTH. My opinion is that Mills had a crush on MJ but MJ did not feel the same way, yet he greatly admired her voice and her talent as a principal in the broadway version of the Wiz.

Further, I also said that if someone saw fit to take issue to whoever Michael Jackson chooses to date, that the racist ideas were THEIR issue NOT HIS (meaning Michael's) issue.

You know, we all are on the same side here and I would like to think that we can discuss things without emoting so much. Give the woman a break. She could have chosen to say some really hurtful things about MJ, but she didn't. She loved him and he didn't choose her. I think that she moved on from it.

[dangerous]

HeavenSent already pointed out that Vicky was inaccurate in her understanding of your statement.

This is why we can't have conversations like this because people become so hysterical and upset over things that they cannot allow themselves to think about what someone has posted before they react.
Ironic, isnt it?

[mello1]

I saw that. I responded to posts as they are posted, as I'm sure you do. But I do at least read them to understand the initial point being made.

So, there's no irony to be noticed.

[~Vicky~]

Mello1, you are the one that made this an issue...no one was really FREAKING OUT about it, just annoyed.

[mello1]

Originally posted by NevaehDreamz
Mello1, you are the one that made this an issue...no one was really FREAKING OUT about it, just annoyed.

No, I was offering an opinion that no one else was making, that's all. I'm done, really. Sry to have disturbed you all.

[whisper]

Originally posted by mello1
But isn't that what we ALL are doing? I can only go by what he chooses to publically expose and I'm not just referring to his recent marriages, but who he's publically been with thru out his career. Now, I don't find the need for the secrecy about who he dates, but fine, that's his business. I am making my comments on what I have seen.

Further, in my post, I made the distinction between what Mills knew back then and now, so there is not argument there.

Now, we all can choose to believe what we want to believe or not. And I'm strictly speaking of MJ's dating preferences and not what he has or has not done in the Black community, because this thread is about what Mills said.

And I still say that what she said was not racist and I stand by that.

We agree to disagree.
Oh we will most definitely agree to completely and totally disagree on this issue. I'm not choosing to make up my mind one way or the other as to his "preferences" and you obviously are. AGAIN, the point was that any conclusion about who Jackson "prefers" and/or has dated--especially one where there seems to be no merit to it--is ridiculous; ridiculous coming both from Stephanie Mills and other fans.

[HoldMeThrillMe]

Excuse me??? I don't know what you meant by that, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know the type of woman that MJ is attracted to. And if you are not a BW, you wouldn't understand the kind of pain that causes, whether intentional or not.

Get the chip off your shoulder, would you?

I don't give a **** what is MJs preference in women, but I do know that none of us will ever know for sure, because along with that half-wit stephanie mills, we don't know his full history. If he wants to date purple bitches with blond hair, then by all means, Michael, baby, you go for it.

I am tired of Michael having to re-affirm is love for his own race. It's absolute bullshit; regardless of in which way he has to do it. I don't look at Michael and see him as a colour, he's a person. The same way I look at everyone else.

I'm quite sure Michael doesn't see colour when he looks at people either.

[floacist]

Mike likes all types of women c'mon people!Just because he has married white women or has half white children or whatever dont make him a racist it only makes those people in society who look down on multi-cultural relationships the RACISTS here.Michael loves his black beauty's,indianwhite girls,asian whatever it may be and I know he has plenty of love for the Latina's as well :)
Just like Jess said she can be PURPLE for all we should care about.