CHANDLER: I had a good
16 communication with Michael.
17 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
18 MR. CHANDLER: We were friends, you
19 know. I liked him.
20 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
21 MR. CHANDLER: I respected him and
22 everything else for what he is, you know. There
23 was no reason why he had to stop calling me. He
24 could have called me.
25 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
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1 MR. CHANDLER: In fact, Dave, I -- you
2 ask Jordy. I sat in the room one day, and I talked
3 to Michael and told him exactly what I want out of
4 this whole relationship, what I want [tape
5 irregularity], okay, so he wouldn't have to figure
6 me out.
7 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
8 MR. CHANDLER: And one of things I said
9 is we always have to be able to talk to each other.
10 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
11 MR. CHANDLER: That's the rule, okay,
12 because I know that as soon as you stop talking
13 weird things start going on and people [tape
14 irregularity] --
15 MR. SCHWARTZ: Imaginations take over.
16 MR. CHANDLER: Imagination will just
17 kill you.
18 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.
19 MR. CHANDLER: It causes all kinds of
20 problems, and so, I mean --
21 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, can you do
22 this --
23 MR. CHANDLER: Do you think
24 you -- look. Do you know what it's like? You go
25 out with -- listen. I -- just that old expression,
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1 you know. It came from some movie. How does it
2 go? "Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean
3 somebody isn't [tape irregularity]."
4 You know that expression?
5 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
6 MR. CHANDLER: Okay. What it really
7 means is that you may think I'm crazy --
8 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
9 MR. CHANDLER: -- (simultaneous,
10 inaudible) I'm thinking is actually right, but what
11 I'm saying to you is that I've had every single
12 girl -- and I am not kidding you -- every [tape
13 irregularity] ever gone out with, from the very
14 first girl to the very last, has cheated on me, and
15 I have never cheated on anybody.
16 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
17 MR. CHANDLER: I would never.
18 Now, if I wanted to, based on that
19 history, I could be so *beep* paranoid about
20 girls, I would never --
21 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
22 MR. CHANDLER: -- be able to [tape
23 irregularity] relationship. I wouldn't be able to
24 [tape irregularity] was like, I couldn't have a
25 family. I'd be a *beep* raving lunatic. Okay?
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1 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
2 MR. CHANDLER: But what's my point? My
3 point is that the only thing that keeps me from
4 getting that way is that I can talk about it and be
5 reassured [tape irregularity] on it in my
6 imagination -- I mean, my wife's not home tonight.
7 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
8 MR. CHANDLER: She's gonna be at a
9 meeting until 2:00 o'clock in the morning.
10 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.
11 MR. CHANDLER: Right? This has
12 happened many times.
13 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
14 MR. CHANDLER: She's going to go away
15 to Cannes Film Festival next year --
16 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
17 MR. CHANDLER: -- right? Do you know
18 what that's like?
19 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
20 MR. CHANDLER: That Film Festival's a
21 *beep* sex party.
22 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
23 MR. CHANDLER: Next year, without me,
24 okay? Now, if I didn't have a chance to talk to
25 her about my fears, my [tape irregularity],
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1 probably shoot her, or I'd divorce her.
2 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
3 MR. CHANDLER: And I'm not saying her
4 as an individual. Wouldn't matter who -- I could
5 be married to Mother Teresa and I'd have the same
6 feeling. It's just because of what [tape
7 irregularity] that I've been -- my finger's been
8 stuck in the electric socket so much that I don't
9 want to get stuck in there again, so I keep -- and
10 girls do that to me, you know? They keep *beep*
11 me up, so --
12 MR. SCHWARTZ: So what was --
13 MR. CHANDLER: -- bothers me. I might
14 be totally irrational --
15 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
16 MR. CHANDLER: -- but you want to know
17 why I'm not crazy about it at all and I have a
18 great relationship and I trust her and everything
19 is fine?
20 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
21 MR. CHANDLER: Because she'll sit down
22 and she'll talk to me about it.
23 MR. SCHWARTZ: And she's wildly in love
24 with you.
25 MR. CHANDLER: She tells me she is.
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1 MR. SCHWARTZ: She is.
2 MR. CHANDLER: Okay.
3 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, it's very
4 obvious.
5 MR. CHANDLER: And you want to know
6 what I told her? I told her this. I said
7 June -- "Monique," I said, "if you ever want to sleep
8 with somebody else or if you don't love me anymore,
9 if you come to me and you tell me that [tape
10 irregularity] out of the house and *beep* his brains
11 out, I'll love you forever, I'll support you and
12 wish you well. But if it's the other way around,
13 you *beep* him first and then you [tape
14 irregularity], I'll kill you, period." I said,
15 "Those are the rules. If you want to stay with me,
16 you gotta understand that's the only way I can
17 survive. That's how I live.
18 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
19 MR. CHANDLER: It's all comes -- that's
20 what really relationships --
21 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, trust is real
22 important.
23 MR. CHANDLER: When you get down to
24 relationships like we -- like really intimate ones,
25 okay?
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1 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
2 MR. CHANDLER: Like you and I. I trust
3 you with my life.
4 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.
5 MR. CHANDLER: And I know you trust me
6 too.
7 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.
8 MR. CHANDLER: Okay? And with Moniquw, I
9 said, "That's all I'm after."
10 MR. SCHWARTZ: What does she say?
11 MR. CHANDLER: She said, "I understand.
12 That's fine." She said, "It'll never happen. I
13 don't know why you're bringing it up, but if you're
14 bringing it up, I won't do it. Trust me. It won't
15 happen."
16 I said, "Okay. I'm just -- I'm telling
17 you now ahead of time" --
18 MR. SCHWARTZ: That's good
19 communication.
20 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah. I mean, I'm not
21 being embarrassed by it --
22 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.
23 MR. CHANDLER: -- I'm not keeping it
24 inside. I want to have a good marriage and a good
25 relationship
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1 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
2 MR. CHANDLER: -- and I know this is
3 one issue that bothers me, no matter who that girl
4 would be.
5 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.
6 MR. CHANDLER: Okay? I'm not --
7 MR. SCHWARTZ: In any --
8 MR. CHANDLER: -- (simultaneous,
9 inaudible) personal against her.
10 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.
11 MR. CHANDLER: It's just with me. It's
12 my problem, and so I'm letting her know that I have
13 a problem. I'm not hiding anything. I'd not
14 trying to be macho cool dude about it.
15 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.
16 MR. CHANDLER: And so if I wasn't able
17 to talk to her, this marriage would have been over
18 a long time ago.
19 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
20 MR. CHANDLER: Because [tape
21 irregularity] --
22 MR. SCHWARTZ: Don't we learn like
23 that?
24 MR. CHANDLER: Because of my
25 imagination, Dave.
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1 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, but don't we learn
2 through experiences --
3 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous,
4 inaudible) want to know what I really think? I
5 really think most people don't learn. I think at
6 some point in our lives we develop behavior
7 patterns, and even if we know that they're wrong we
8 just can't break them.
9 MR. SCHWARTZ: You know --
10 MR. CHANDLER: Most people can't change
11 their behaviors.
12 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well --
13 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous,
14 inaudible) they are at a certain --
15 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yes and no, but I think
16 you get --
17 MR. CHANDLER: Look at you. Are you
18 going to change now because of what happened here?
19 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, interesting --
20 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous,
21 inaudible) be different? Is your marriage going to
22 be better? Are you going to -- you know, you guys
23 have no right to be married. I told June that
24 myself many times. She would call me all the time
25 and say, "Did Dave call Kelly? Did Dave call
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2 No.
3 What kind of *beep* marriage do you
4 guys have? Why don't you guys just split up so he
5 could see his kids, at least --
6 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
7 MR. CHANDLER: You know, if he doesn't
8 want to come over to the house because of you, then
9 get divorced so he could see his kids. There's
10 nothing wrong with that. You know, you might be
11 better friends. She and I were better friends when
12 we [tape irregularity], and what I'm saying to her
13 is that if there's no -- if there's no
14 communication, there's no sense in being together
15 with anybody, whether it's a marriage or a
16 friendship or a business relationship. If you
17 cannot sit down and talk [tape irregularity]
18 ultimately gonna destruct, and that's what happened
19 here. They shut me out from the most important
20 thing in my life. In fact, I don't have a life. I
21 don't want to have a life [tape irregularity].
22 MR. SCHWARTZ: I understand it, too,
23 but I gotta tell you, in just talking to you this
24 time, see, Jordy's copying me.
25 MR. CHANDLER: Well --
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1 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, he's positively
2 copying me. I mean, he's been with both of us
3 since -- I mean, I've had him since he's -- almost
4 as long as you have.
5 MR. CHANDLER: That's right.
6 MR. SCHWARTZ: And he's --
7 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous,
8 inaudible) had him as long as he's been cognizant
9 of the fact of who's around him --
10 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right, so --
11 MR. CHANDLER: -- learned a lot from
12 you.
13 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, and one of the
14 things he learned, probably, was just to withdraw,
15 because I do it, but, you know, I'm not chastising
16 myself for it. I'm just looking at it objectively.
17 I mean, realistically. I mean, I would say --
18 MR. CHANDLER: You haven't (inaudible)
19 and in some way it's resonated throughout the
20 family --
21 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
22 MR. CHANDLER: -- and partly been the
23 cause of all this happening.
24 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right, but I mean he's,
25 you know, he's learned a lot of good things from
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2 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah, I'm sure he --
3 MR. SCHWARTZ: But, you know, I mean,
4 everyone's not perfect.
5 MR. CHANDLER: No. Everyone's not.
6 MR. SCHWARTZ: But I think --
7 MR. CHANDLER: (Inaudible) expect
8 everyone to be, but you gotta expect people that
9 claim to love you to communicate with you because
10 if there's communication there's nothing.
11 What's the sense of having your
12 relationship? People don't even care enough about
13 you to -- you tell them -- I actually told June how
14 much I was hurting. I said --
15 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
16 MR. CHANDLER: -- "I'm hurting, June.
17 I'm crying every day. I'm dying."
18 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, but they're going
19 through every --
20 MR. CHANDLER: Do you know what she
21 said to me?
22 MR. SCHWARTZ: What?
23 MR. CHANDLER: Well, that's just too
24 bad.
25 *beep* that.
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1 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, but you can't -- I
2 mean, you know June.
3 MR. CHANDLER: I can't make excuses for
4 June.
5 MR. SCHWARTZ: There's no way to
6 make -- there's nothing to make an excuse. I mean,
7 we all have our good points and our bad points, and
8 we all have things that --
9 MR. CHANDLER: I think, you know, her
10 bad points [tape irregularity] gone too far. I
11 really do.
12 MR. SCHWARTZ: I think you gotta look
13 at the overall picture. I mean, now we're
14 talking --
15 MR. CHANDLER: I am looking at -- I'm
16 looking at Jordy's picture. That's the only
17 picture I'm looking at. I -- June's not part of
18 it.
19 MR. SCHWARTZ: But do you think that --
20 MR. CHANDLER: I know that after
21 tomorrow -- in fact, not even after tomorrow. It's
22 already happened. I don't ever want anything to do
23 with June anymore because June is not part of my
24 family. In my mind, she's died. I don't ever want
25 to talk to her again. [tape irregularity] sitting
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1 on the stand being totally humiliated or at the end
2 of a shotgun. That's the only way I want to see
3 June now. She's gotta [tape irregularity] do this
4 to kid. Again, it's not right. Can do it to me.
5 Can't do it to my kid. It's not right.
6 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, do you think
7 that whatever's happening, if you think it's bad
8 for him, she's done, you know, out of malice?
9 MR. CHANDLER: You want to know
10 something? You don't even have to ask me. You
11 could -- as you said before, you want to sit down
12 and talk to the people I spoke to --
13 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
14 MR. CHANDLER: -- you're going to have
15 a chance to do that if you want to. You go and ask
16 the experts --
17 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
18 MR. CHANDLER: -- and you won't have to
19 ask. They will be there anyway.
20 There's not one person in this world
21 [tape irregularity] can't find a person --
22 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
23 MR. CHANDLER: -- disagree with me.
24 I'm the one that disagreed with -- I
25 didn't even want to know about it.
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1 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
2 MR. CHANDLER: I kept saying, "No, this
3 is okay. There's nothing wrong. This is great."
4 It took experts to convince me [tape
5 irregularity] that by not taking action --
6 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
7 MR. CHANDLER: -- my son was going to
8 be irreparably damaged for the rest of his life
9 [tape irregularity]. That was what I heard.
10 MR. SCHWARTZ: Because his friend is
11 older, or because of all the seduction?
12 MR. CHANDLER: Well, you know, age in
13 and of itself is not a harmful thing.
14 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
15 MR. CHANDLER: But it could have been
16 used to advantage, and in some ways Michael is
17 using his age and experience and his money and his
18 power to great advantage to Jordy. The problem is
19 he's also harming him, greatly harming him, for his
20 own selfish reasons. He's not the altruistic, kind
21 human being that he appears to be.
22 MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you think --
23 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous,
24 inaudible) selfish motives here.
25 MR. SCHWARTZ: You mean, harming Jordy
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1 because it's taken him out of reality?
2 MR. CHANDLER: It's not so much really
3 what he's taken him out of. It's what he's brought
4 him into.
5 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
6 MR. CHANDLER: I mean, I don't mean to
7 be devious. I just can't be --
8 MR. SCHWARTZ: You can't tell me.
9 MR. CHANDLER: -- specific about it,
10 but I tell you that, again, it all comes down to
11 one thing. They don't want to talk to me.
12 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
13 MR. CHANDLER: Jordy -- yeah, he's 13
14 years old. He's only [tape irregularity], hoping
15 that the problem will go away by itself, but June's
16 old enough to know better.
17 June's the one that's frustrated me.
18 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, you know, this is
19 the deal: I talked to Jordy about it today, about,
20 you know, his not contacting you and not calling
21 you on Father's Day and not sending you anything.
22 He's confused June -- and this is the truth and
23 from him. June did everything to get him to send
24 you a card, to call and everything. He's just
25 frustrated, you know, and I don't know about what
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1 or -- you know, it's just like he's scared or
2 doesn't know what to do or --
3 MR. CHANDLER: (Inaudible).
4 MR. SCHWARTZ: Pardon me?
5 MR. CHANDLER: June didn't do a thing
6 to have him call me or send me a card by her own
7 admission to me last time. She didn't give a *beep*
8 is what she told me.
9 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, but I don't
10 believe that because, I mean --
11 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous,
12 inaudible) told me.
13 MR. SCHWARTZ: Because, I mean --
14 MR. CHANDLER: I --
15 MR. SCHWARTZ: With June and -- I
16 talked to them today.
17 MR. CHANDLER: Well, then, she's lying
18 to you, Dave.
19 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, but would Jordy
20 lie?
21 MR. CHANDLER: Now they're scared *beep*
22 MR. SCHWARTZ: No. Would Jordy -- no,
23 because they don't know anything about it. I
24 didn't even tell them that I had talked to you this
25 morning, okay?
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1 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous,
2 inaudible) them know you heard the message.
3 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
4 MR. CHANDLER: And what are you going
5 there all of a sudden? You haven't been there --
6 MR. SCHWARTZ: Last night's the first
7 night I've been there.
8 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah. By accident?
9 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, it's Kelly's
10 birthday. I mean, you know, I got -- it's tough
11 for me too. It's not easy. I mean, you don't
12 really know what's going on with me, but, I mean,
13 it's very, very, very difficult times for me.
14 MR. CHANDLER: So what?
15 MR. SCHWARTZ: Very.
16 MR. CHANDLER: So what you're saying is
17 that because of your problem you sacrifice the
18 kids.
19 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, I did it --
20 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous,
21 inaudible) money all during --
22 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. I just -- I
23 *beep* up, but --
24 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah, you *beep* up.
25 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, but --
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1 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous,
2 inaudible) I'm not *beep* up --
3 MR. SCHWARTZ: -- when you're trying to
4 survive --
5 MR. CHANDLER: Hey, Dave, it doesn't
6 matter. You want to know something? When my
7 father was dying of cancer --
8 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
9 MR. CHANDLER: -- and he had -- and he
10 got in a car crash that crushed his leg and his
11 spinal cord --
12 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
13 MR. CHANDLER: -- at the same time and
14 he was in incredible pain --
15 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
16 MR. CHANDLER: -- I used to talk to him
17 about it --
18 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
19 MR. CHANDLER: -- and he would say,
20 "You know what?"
21 I'd say, "Why don't you -- you never
22 talk -- you never talk about it, you never complain
23 to anybody."
24 He said, "You know what? Because
25 everybody's got their own problems, and nobody's
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1 gonna think that my problem's any worse than their
2 problem."
3 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
4 MR. CHANDLER: And so as bad as your
5 problem is [tape irregularity] it may not be on the
6 same scale, but emotionally, financially,
7 psychologically, it's devastating me as much as
8 [tape irregularity].
9 MR. SCHWARTZ: And I accept that.
10 MR. CHANDLER: Okay.
11 MR. SCHWARTZ: But I -- let me --
12 MR. CHANDLER: I'm telling you this:
13 That as bad as my life is, I'm willing to let it
14 get a lot worse --
15 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
16 MR. CHANDLER: -- and sacrifice
17 whatever it is -- and I don't even consider it a
18 sacrifice -- give up whatever it is so that my son
19 won't be damaged.
20 You're not willing to do that. You
21 fall apart just to save one of your kids [tape
22 irregularity] away from my practice, from my
23 family, from my wife, from Cody, from everybody
24 else, do whatever I have to do --
25 MR. SCHWARTZ: And you think that'll
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1 save Jordy? I mean, don't you think there's a
2 happy medium?
3 MR. CHANDLER: No. We're not gonna
4 save him. June's not gonna save him. Who's gonna
5 save him? Gotta be me.
6 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, do you really
7 think he has --
8 MR. CHANDLER: -- one.
9 MR. SCHWARTZ: You don't think it's
10 just gonna run its course?
11 MR. CHANDLER: Dave . . .
12 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, you know more
13 than I know, so I'm at a disadvantage.
14 MR. CHANDLER: Well, then, I will tell
15 you without question. It's gone way too far.
16 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
17 MR. CHANDLER: Jordy is never going to
18 be the same person he was.
19 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
20 MR. CHANDLER: It's never -- by the
21 time it runs its course --
22 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
23 MR. CHANDLER: -- if it does, he will
24 be so damaged he'll never recover --
25 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
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1 MR. CHANDLER: -- and that's not my
2 opinion. I mean, I happen to be believe it now
3 because my eyes have been opened --
4 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
5 MR. CHANDLER: -- but I'm not the one
6 that first [tape irregularity], so what I'm saying
7 to you is that I'm acting because [tape
8