Official April 14 2005

[sistahlamb]

hmmm....
When did Melville rule on the JCPenney suit?
I'll be pissed off if he really did deny that evidence but the mother has still filed many other lawsuits agianst other people for money that the defence will be able to bring in.

 

[AJ&MJACKSON]

well wisper i was just concerned sorryyyyyyyy because i am a huge fan and not ony have i been following this case but the rest of the lying pubic stories about mj sorry if i did somthing wrong well sorry

 

[Cristine87]

Excuse me, but it amazes me how the prosecution can present 1108 but the defense shouldn't present what they know about the mother. That is so unfair!

 

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Cristine87
Excuse me, but it amazes me how the prosecution can present 1108 but the defense shouldn't present what they know about the mother. That is so unfair!

That is really really unfair.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't think Melville completely denied the JC Penny case. He said he didn't want them to re-try that case, not to focus too much on it.

>_>

 

[megan23]

so does anyone know the jurors reaction today to her? I heard on tv she was more "subdued" , some of those crazies in the media said today that she was more credible today, I was like wtf? have they fallen under her spell too? anybody know the real deal?

 

[SpecialJanet25]

Originally posted by megan23
so does anyone know the jurors reaction today to her? I heard on tv she was more "subdued" , some of those crazies in the media said today that she was more credible today, I was like wtf? have they fallen under her spell too? anybody know the real deal?

Megan, let me tell you this, if those media reporters think she more credible today, they are nuts like her. She has not yet been cross-examined. They probably said that because they feel sorry for her lying ass. Don't be fool by what they said. From what I heard, her testmony was bizarre and didn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

[Purdy Young Thang]

"Who would believe me".

"WHO WOULD BELIEVE ME"?!?


OMG. ROFL. XD Dude, that crazy heffa cracks me up!

Ooooo, no wonder Michael's got that HUGE grin on his face. He was prolly busting his ribs trying not to laugh at her, like how she insisted to be called Janet JACKSON.

(The real Janet: WTF?!?)

XD God..

 

[alfredo]

Originally posted by megan23
so does anyone know the jurors reaction today to her? I heard on tv she was more "subdued" , some of those crazies in the media said today that she was more credible today, I was like wtf? have they fallen under her spell too? anybody know the real deal?

One of the more sane media reporters said the mother started off better then "the meds wore off". I think today the evidence the DA put up to prove the conspiracy fell flat at best. There was no way of tying the charge to Michael except through Janet Arvizo a.k.a "walnuts"

 

[SpecialJanet25]

Originally posted by alfredo
One of the more sane media reporters said the mother started off better then "the meds wore off". I think today the evidence the DA put up to prove the conspiracy fell flat at best. There was no way of tying the charge to Michael except through Janet Arvizo a.k.a "walnuts"

Exactly! The way she behavior yesterday proves she's a liar.

 

[MJ_FAN_FOR_LIFE733]

Originally posted by sunny2005
Sky News they just reported that Janet is the LAST witness for the prosecution

Whisper,

didn't you tell us NOT TO POST ANYTHING FROM SKY NEWS??

~K.M.A~

 

[dangerous]

Can you just imagine that crazy ass lady on cross examination? Thank goodness they go thru a metal dictator, that woman looks like shes capable of blowing up the court house. :/

 

[megan23]

thanks guys! I did see Mike Tabbi's report I think he is the only sane reporter out there

 

[HotMJ!]

Originally posted by megan23


so does anyone know the jurors reaction today to her? I heard on tv she was more "subdued" , some of those crazies in the media said today that she was more credible today, I was like wtf? have they fallen under her spell too? anybody know the real deal?

Subdued at the beginning only. Then full-blown later. That was the consensus.

I think news reporter Taibbi dropped some remark that maybe her meds wore off.*



* Listen to the MJEOL download of today's Abrams Report, or other MJEOL Taibbi reports today. It's on one of them, IIRC.


:lol:

 

[HotMJ!]

Originally posted by Cristine87


Excuse me, but it amazes me how the prosecution can present 1108 but the defense shouldn't present what they know about the mother. That is so unfair!

G-mama's welfare fraud is unproven, but the 1108 stuff is also unproven, so it does seem unfair.

But the legal issue is that G-mama shouldn't have to testify about herself (self-incrimination) when giving testimony about a non-related issue.

Michael also doesn't have to testify, if he chooses not to. It's the same principle, the right of to avoid self-incrimination.

It's obvious that Mez can find ways around this, and the judge knows that - and has openly suggested it!

Mez will be able to bring up the mom's welfare fraud in indirect ways so that the jury gets the message. It'll all work out O.K. for Michael in the end. I don't think the defense is really worried about this issue at all, and all the defense calls for mistrial have been merely pro-forma.

The jury is already on Michael's side. The important thing now is to change public opinion!


:goodtalki

 

[HotMJ!]

:crackingu

Be sure to read the dialogue in the middle of the article, and Mez's cross of Jay Jackson at the end! :crackingu :crackingu :crackingu

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/e...6331_1113520199

Sobs, Silence from Accuser's Mom
By Joal Ryan
Thu Apr 14, 5:19 PM ET


Head-licking, yes; welfare checks, no.


The mother of Michael Jackson's accuser testified, cried and rambled in the pop star's molestation trial Wednesday. But first she pleaded the Fifth Amendment.

With the jurors cleared from the courtroom, the woman short-circuited questions about her checkered welfare status, invoking her Constitutional right against self-incrimination.

Allegations of being bullied by Jackson and his staff and of seeing the pop star lick her eldest son's head were fair game, though, and duly offered by a witness who implored jurors not to condemn her.

"Please don't judge me," the mother begged. "Please don't judge me."


The woman's plea prefaced her account of watching Jackson lick her son's head "over and over" on a February 2003 flight from Miami to Neverland. But it could have referenced her reluctance to talk about alleged welfare fraud.

"My understanding is that [the mother] will answer all questions put to her other than questions of her welfare application, questions that she answered in her welfare applications or in receipt of welfare benefits," prosecutor Ronald Zonen said.

The defense, predictably, wasn't pleased, asking for a mistrial if the mother was allowed to "pick and choose" cross-examination topics.

In the end, Superior Court Judge Rodney S. Melville denied the mistrial request, declared the woman's welfare status off-limits and allowed the woman to take the stand.

With the jury returned to the courtroom, the woman offered testimony described as "bizarre," "disjointed," "jumbled" and even "canned" by media types on hand for the proceedings.

By any account, the woman needed a tight reign to stay on topic. Once, Zonen asked her if she ever left Neverland's grounds during her first stay there in February 2003. The woman said, yes, she did. Zonen asked where she went. The woman detoured into a diatribe against "the Germans"--Ronald Konitzer and Dieter Wiesner--two of Jackson's unindicted coconspirators.

"Miss [Doe]?" Zonen interrupted.

"Yes," the mother said.

"Where did you go?" the prosecutor asked again.

"I went to, like, a beauty place," the woman said. "And, oh, but get this..."

"Miss [Doe]?" Zonen interrupted again.

"I'm paying for it," she continued.

"Miss [Doe]?"

"That's right," she said.

Zonen tried one more time: "Where did you go?"

Replied the woman finally and succinctly: "I went and got my legs waxed."

At one point in her sworn testimony, the woman asked the court, "Please don't quote me on this." (She was trying to recall what she ate for breakfast one morning in February 2003.)

The accuser's mother is no mere prosecution witness--by the defense's own words she is "the kingpin" in the government's conspiracy case against Jackson.

Earlier in her testimony, the woman recounted how the pop star befriended her son when the boy was ill with cancer in 2000.

The two would talk on the telephone for "hours," the mother said. After a visit to Neverland in 2000, the woman said she became "uneasy" over the relationship and kept her children away from Jackson's ranch for nearly two years.

"He [Jackson] didn't do nothing, you know," the mother said. "It just felt--it just felt uneasy."

In 2002, the children returned to Neverland. During one visit in September 2002, the boy participated in Martin Bashir's infamous Jackson documentary. In that program, the boy is seen holding Jackson's hand as the pop star talks about snuggling with children in bed.

On the stand, the mother said she was unaware her children had been filmed, and clueless about the documentary until Jackson, whom she hadn't heard from or seen in months, called her in February 2003.

"He had told me that [my son] was in danger, and that there had to be a press conference because of this Bashir man," the woman testified.

In the wake of that documentary, the prosecution alleges, Jackson's team became obsessed with containing the PR "disaster," and, in turn, containing the boy and his family.

For her children's safety, the woman said, she agreed that she and hers be whisked off to Miami, just as the Bashir show was to debut on ABC. There, she said, Jackson gathered the family, and in a "very normal, very male voice," told them he'd read many psychology books and knew exactly how to protect them from "the killers."

"I just thought, you know, what a nice guy," the mother said.

According to the woman, Jackson told her to do whatever "the Germans" asked her to do. For their part, one of "the Germans" told her he could have the woman "erased" if she made him angry, the mother testified.

Jackson, 46, is accused of liquoring up and molesting the woman's eldest son, then 13, at Neverland. Additionally, the singer is alleged to have conspired to hold the boy, his mother and two siblings captive at Neverland, and plotted to ship the brood off to Brazil. On the stand, the mother said Team Jackson originally considered sending them to Austria but settled on the South American republic because she was fluent in Spanish.

In any geographic case, Jackson has pleaded innocent to all charges.

Though not billed as a witness to the alleged molestation, the mother's in-flight head-licking tale backed up earlier testimony from her middle son.

"When everybody had fallen asleep [on the plane]...I figured this was my chance to look and see what was going on back there," the woman said. "And that's when I saw Michael licking [my eldest son's] head."

At that point, the woman unleashed a sob-wracked, chest-thumping outburst.

"I thought I was seeing things," the woman said. "I thought it was me."

After the flight, the woman said she asked her son if he was okay. He said he was. "And that was it," the woman said--the family was off to Neverland where her sons spent the night in the main house with Jackson.

During that Neverland visit, the woman said, "the Germans" told her she couldn't leave until she and her children starred in a rebuttal video. Still, with the help of the ranch's grounds supervisor and the estate's Rolls-Royce, the family hitched a ride home without having made the tape.

Echoing what her current husband told jurors Tuesday, the woman said she received numerous phone calls in those frantic post-Bashir days from Jackson associate Frank Tyson. In those calls, the staffer urged her to come to back Neverland Ranch. She said she only agreed after Tyson told her "the Germans" had been fired. (She said she later learned that wasn't true.)

A tape recording of some of the phone conversations between the mother and Tyson, another of Jackson's unindicted coconspirators, was played for jurors.

The mother's appearance came in the wake of an ABC News report that had the woman, portrayed as the villain of the case by the defense, ready to bail on the trial all together.

While the prosecution likes to paint the woman as a long-suffering victim, it has long acknowledged that she is no saint.

In his opening argument, prosecutor Tom Sneddon warned jurors that the woman "obtained welfare funds when she wasn't entitled to them."

"She's going to tell you that, and she's going to admit that," Sneddon said in January.

With the mother ultimately unwilling to talk or admit to welfare troubles herself, the defense moved in on the woman's current husband.

In his second day on the stand Wednesday, the Army reservist was peppered with questions about the depositing of several of the woman's welfare checks into his bank account in 2003.

"I don't know any rules with regards to welfare," the man testified. "I wasn't concerned about that. She was my girlfriend, they were her children. If I gave them any money [outside of the amount in the welfare checks], it was because it was out of goodness of my heart."

Elsewhere, the man, who wed the accuser's mother last year, talked about how the woman's family was stalked at their home and at the children's school by a Jackson associate identified in testimony only as "Johnny." Later, defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. suggested "Johnny" was a P.I. hired by then-Jackson attorney Mark Geragos to see if the woman's family was trying to extort money from the pop star.

Mesereau, who won't get a crack at the mother until at least Thursday, contented himself on this day by walking the stepfather through the family's repeated escapes and re-escapes from Neverland in February and March of 2003.

"[The mother] left Neverland, went to El Monte. All right, so that's leaving Neverland once," the man testified.

"Right," Mesereau agreed.

"She came to my apartment," the man continued.

"Right," Mesereau agreed again.

"Lots of phone calls [from Tyson], [then she] went back to Neverland, came back that night. Again, a bunch of phone calls and [then] she returned back to Neverland," the man recounted. "So, that would be three times."

:crackingu :crackingu :crackingu

 

[QuietSoul]

I haven't been able to keep track of everything by myself recently - thanks everyone for their help. I was a little afraid of reading the full news just in case something had happened that could make a huge difference in the case. Luckily, nothing had happened that I didn't expect.

This entire thing makes me laugh. To me, sometimes it feels like this case is racing backwards to get to the finish line.

 

[EuphoricNostalgia]

WTF?! God, this woman is crackpot!!! I believed she was an old crazy hag before but she is insane!!! I hope she rots in hell and there she could wax her legs without even paying.

And wow...Michael is sooo cuute laughing and that HUGE grin in his face is priceless...absolutely breathtaking!

 

[HotMJ!]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153414,00.html
Thursday, April 14, 2005
By Roger Friedman

[Jackson] Accuser's Mom Running From 'the Killers'


....Michael Jackson's only guest for the day was his mother Katherine, who was well turned out in a smart lavender suit. She took copious notes.

Yeah... I know why too! She doesn't trust the press to report everything!

Dat smart woman's gonna track 'em down if they don't! You betcha!

:thumbsup

 

[frozen rose]

lol. Hmmm-hummm thats correct. Katharine and Michael are so identical. Mother like Son!