Official May 18 2005 thread

Aaliyah

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HeavenSent

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God, I feel so bad coming in all late like this.

Reading what I have, Rijo's testimony seemed to help the defense, end of story. i hate how we can't get ONE version of the testimony. I mean, why?? Can people not control their urge to spin for ONCE? Gets on my nerves.
 

MJ'sWife#3

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From MJNO:

Jackson trial update:

1. Good news, since the defense was noted as "not" opening the door of character witnesses, the judge won't allow the State ( prosecution) to have bad character witnesses come in ( 1993 )

2. That the defense ran out of witnesses and also that huge 500 witness list, so they are cutting their case "SHORT!"

3. A 402 hearing will be done on Larry King and whether he will continue to be a witness or not. It was stated Mr. King will use a Shield Law ( all journalist are protected by law with this ) to protect him if he had to be a witness.

4. Mark Garagos will be the only witness this Friday. And they're may be some fireworks then again maybe not...

5. Rumor...not fact, that Jackson has been receiving coaching in preparation to take the stand. Raymone Bain denies this. Again "rumor" on Court TV ...Catherine Crier.
 

Colin

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If theres any truth to MJ not doing anything about it when he knew the kids had stolen wine, its probably cos when he's around kids he doesnt want to be the authority figure. he wants to be one of the kids, thats the whole point. so hes not gonna tell them off.
thats my theoryanyway, which is probably wrong and also probably based on something that didnt even happen, because DD said it!
 

HeavenSent

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Court tv can kiss my ass. Why does Bain have to be so busy denying stuff today?

How the hell do they "know" all this crap. Just making up stuff they have no business even talking about.
 

MJ'sWife#3

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More motions passed:

1. No JC Penny witnesses to come in
2. No Mary Minnow ( this is a book expert that would have proven Jackson's reason's for having those "art books" and why, they were a good investment.)

Possibility: Now prosecution cannot bring in Ken langing (sp) wrong sorry...the expert who was going to discuss the opposite of why Jackson had these "art books."
 

Frenchy

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Originally posted by Colin
If theres any truth to MJ not doing anything about it when he knew the kids had stolen wine, its probably cos when he's around kids he doesnt want to be the authority figure.
I'm not trying to be Jay Leno here (bastard by the way, I hate him, I don't even think he's funny) but what was Mike supposed to do after they drank the wine? :drinkingb Yell at them? Make them write lines? "I will not steal Daddy Michael's wine" 50 times? No TV for a week? No golf cars for a month? Can you actually see Mike bust into the suite and yell: "You are in big trouble young man! BIG trouble!!! You are so f***ing GROUNDED!!! C'm'on, hee hee, ooow!" :lol:

I mean, come on... Seriously, the guy is just too nice. I would totally think that he didn't really want to believe Rio because he is (was) so darn naive and nice. It would be totally believable, now that the defense has shown the outtakes that describe Michael as a sensitive, naive and shy person. So to me, it's really no biggie.
And maybe he didn't feel that he could be the authority/power figure because after all he's not their frickin MOM OR DAD!!! Especially since the mom seemed so unconcerned...
 

whisperAdmin

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News from the main page at MJEOL

MAY 18 2005 (4:30 PM ET) -- The defense continues to blaze through the prosecution's "case" by hammer away at the credibility of the accusing family; showing that not only have they lied in the past, but they have also lied under oath to the jury in this "case".

Breaking News line: The judge has ruled that the defense HAS NOT opened the door to the character issue. This means the prosecution cannot try to backdoor-in more unfounded allegations about his character.

Already the prosecution apologists and spinners are out in force actually claiming the defense isn't putting on a strong case against testimony presented from the prosecution.

Well the truth must be really tearing them apart because some of the pro-prosecution pundits have closed ranks and are now, through their reports, actually trying to convince the public that the accuser, his brother, his sister and the mother being caught perjuring themselves is no big deal. Ha!

The more obvious this "case" becomes to the public, the more these same pundits try their damnedest to hold on to their future book profits and "analysts" jobs with various networks.

Yesterday, Simone Jackson, cousin of Michael Jackson, testified that she actually caught the accuser and his bother stealing wine out of the kitchen when Jackson was no where around. She says she confronted them, and they asked her not to tell anybody.

Simone Jackson was chummy with the accuser's older sister, Davellin. She also gave testimony that D. Arvizo told her the mother really wanted to go on the trip to Brazil. This is directly contradictory to what the mother testified to on the stand.

Another relative of Jackson's, Rijo Jackson (also spelled 'Rio'), has some of the most compelling and damning evidence to offer against the two Arvizo brothers. During one of his stays at Neverland, he was actually assigned to the same guest suite as the accuser and his brother in March 2003.

Just this fact alone knocks out the notion that Michael Jackson had the accuser sleeping in bed with him during that time period.

Rijo Jackson also testified that he saw Gavin and Star Arvizo under the covers masterbating while watching a sexually explicit video in the guest suite to which they were all assigned.

Not only that, but one of the boys was trying to solicit him to participate in the sex act with them. Isn't that ironic?

Rijo Jackson says he ran from the guest suite, scared, after seeing that incident and told his cousin, Jackson, "a little bit" about it.

If you remember, Gavin Arvizo was specifically asked on the stand by Mesereau under cross-examination if anyone had ever walked in on him masterbating. He categorically denied it. Well, now the public knows that he wasn't telling the truth before the jury.

Testimony from one of the maids also confirm that the accuser and his brother either stole some adult magazines from Jackson's bedroom or brought in their own stash because she saw some of the magazines in a backpack located in the guest suites to which they were assigned.

According to a CNN report dated today "Singer's cousin testifies in challenge to accuser's account", he says he told Jackson, but that Jackson really didn't believe him. From that article:
The young Jackson cousin told jurors in the entertainer's child molestation trial that the incident took place in early 2003, when he and his older sister were staying overnight at the ranch. He testified that after witnessing the incident, he ran to Jackson's bedroom in Neverland's main residence to tell him "a little bit" about what he had seen.

"He didn't believe that," Rio Jackson said of his famous first cousin. "He thought they were good."

R. Jackson also testified about yet another incident where Jackson apparently had ordered a bottle of wine to be delivered to his room from the chef, Angel Vivanco. But the accuser and his brother intercepted that bottle of wine.

Jackson later found it. It had been opened and some of the wine was missing. R. Jackson says he didn't tell Jackson about that because he didn't actually see the boys in the act of drinking it, according to an AP article titled "Young Cousin Testifies in Trial".

R. Jackson also says the Arvizo brothers stole money and other materials out of a draw in the kitchen at the chef's station. He also say then running from ranch manager Jesus Salas' office with money he thought the boys had taken.

In yet another instance of illustrating that Jackson wasn't at Neverland much of this time, R. Jackson says he didn't tell Michael Jackson because he (Jackson) was often away, reports the AP. Also according to the AP, he did, however, try to tell the maid about the money being stolen from the kitchen.

So now we have Jackson often away from Neverland or not around these kids during the prosecution's alleged "molestation" timeframe by yet another witness.

Remember, security guard Shane Meredith testified that he actually caught the two little hell-raisers in the wine cellar by themselves; an open bottle of wine between them. He, too, says that Jackson was nowhere around.

There are now 3 witnesses who set these accusers as breaking into the wine cellar, stealing wine from the kitchen, and hijacking wine that was to be delivered to Jackson's bedroom, again, not in Jackson's presence. Jackson was reportedly in the bathroom when the Arvizo's got their hands on the bottle.

According to Angel Vivanco, one of the boys also threatened to get Vivanco fired from Neverland if he didn't spike his milkshake with liquor.

The picture that this paints is that these two, Gavin and Star, were very manipulative, disruptive, disrespectful little thieves.

The pro-prosecution pundits will try to blame this on Jackson, but Jackson isn't their parent.

They will try to blame the "atmosphere" at Neverland as, according to them, it "HAS" to be Jackson's fault. They can't wrap their minds around the fact that these kids particularly were the problem.

Unless the DA can produce 10, 30, 50, 100 kids who all say that this was the regular "atmosphere" at Neverland, the jury is left with the picture that these two little "liars" were doing exactly what the defense said in their opening statement: they were lying, going through Jackson's private materials, breaking into the wine cellar, and going unchecked by their parent, Janet Arvizo.

Stay tuned!
 

Danielle Oliver

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Michael Jackson's Cousin Takes Stand For Defense

POSTED: 7:34 am PDT May 18, 2005
UPDATED: 2:13 pm PDT May 18, 2005

SANTA MARIA, Calif. -- Michael Jackson's accuser and his brother were depicted by a witness Wednesday as bad boys who stole wine, pilfered money from employees at the pop star's Neverland ranch and secretly watched dirty TV shows while they fondled themselves.



A Jackson cousin, Rijo Jackson, 12, testified in the pop star's child molestation trial about seeing the boys misbehaving during visits to the singer's Neverland ranch.

The soft-spoken Rijo said that in 2003 he was with the brothers in a guest unit when they turned the TV to a channel showing naked women, began masturbating and suggested he do the same.

The witness said he declined and instead went to Michael Jackson's room and told him what the boys were watching on TV.

"He didn't believe it," Rijo said.

Under cross-examination by prosecutor Ron Zonen, the youth said he was scared to tell Michael Jackson about the masturbation.

He said he spent the night in bed with his cousin.

"Did you do that often?" asked Zonen.

"Yes," said Rijo.

Jackson, 46, is accused of molesting a 13-year-old boy in February or March 2003 and plying the boy with wine. He is also charged with conspiring to hold the boy's family captive to get them to appear in a video to rebut the damaging documentary "Living With Michael Jackson."

The program focused attention on Jackson's relationship with the boy. The youngster appeared in the program with Jackson, who said he let children sleep in his bed but it was non-sexual.

Rijo also testified that he saw the boys steal wine, go through drawers in the house and take money that belonged to a chef and to another employee.

According to Rijo, the wine incident occurred when an employee brought a bottle to the downstairs area of Jackson's bedroom suite while the singer was in the bathroom. He said the boys took it upstairs and the next time he saw it the cork was removed and some of the wine was gone.

Rijo's 16-year-old sister, Simone, testified earlier that she also saw the boys steal wine.

In brief testimony, Simone and Rijo's grandmother, Michelle Jackson, spoke of meeting the accuser and his siblings at Neverland and being told they were waiting to go on a trip.

She said the accuser told her, "We don't want to go to Brazil. That's my mother wants to go. We want to stay here."

The prosecution claims Jackson's associates at one point wanted to send the family on a one-way trip to Brazil to get them out of the spotlight after the documentary aired. A witness testified earlier that she arranged such a trip but canceled it after being informed that plans had changed.

The defense also called Christian Robinson, who participated in interviews of the accuser's family and Michael Jackson's former wife Deborah Rowe for the so-called rebuttal video.

The accuser's mother claims her family's interview was completely scripted, but Robinson said there were no scripts. He said he did write questions for Rowe's interview but that her answers and those of the family were spontaneous.

"Was there anything that you saw that indicated she was unwilling to do the interview?" defense attorney Robert Sanger asked about the accuser's mother.

"She was adamant about wanting to do the interview," Robinson said, but he noted that she was hesitant to sign a release form that would allow the video to be aired.

Source: http://www.nbc4.tv/news/4502564/detail.htm...0205182005&ts=H

:sneddoncr
 

Cristine87

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These kids were hell raisers, it is not Michael's job to discipline them so he shouldn't be blamed. Why doesn't anybody point out the fact that the mother wasn't being a mother & keeping her damn kids on check? No, as usual, the blame always has to be put on Michael!
 
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Anonymous

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I'm still waiting for Mesereau to point out a few things. Like the timeline...
 

whisperAdmin

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Accuser's Disturbing Behavior, Family Lying Under Oath, Mother Coaching Kids Update #1.1

MAY 18 2005 -- The defense continues to blaze through the prosecution's "case" by hammering away at the credibility of the accusing family; showing that not only have they lied in the past, but they have also lied under oath to the jury in this "case".

Breaking News line: The judge has ruled that the defense HAS NOT opened the door to the character issue. This means the prosecution cannot try to backdoor-in more unfounded allegations about his character.

Witnesses taking the stand today included actress Vernee Watson Johnson who testified that she met the Arvizos and visited the accuser in the hospital.

She says she didn't trust Janet Arvizo. She testified about the children calling her and telling her they wanted to visit her, and she could actually hear the mother telling them what to say in the background.

This corroborates what the obnoxious Jay Leno told to the Santa Barbara sheriff's department. He says he got an unsolicited call from the accuser and he, too, could hear the mother coaching him about what to say in the background as well.

She also testified that when they came to her house, they were very disruptive. She says they went through her things and jumped up and down on her son's bed. Apparently they were so bad that she says she never invited them back.

Johnson says that she would give the accuser's mother money after the mother heavily hinting at how broke she was. She says she even called off a fundraiser she planned to hold for the family.

So now we have a modus operandi of the mother. She doesn't outright ask for thousands of dollars. She'll just tell her tales of woe and make her marks feel sorry for her enough to offer up the cash.

According to testimony from "big mouth" Louise Polanker, Jamie Masada and Fritz Coleman, they all conceded that they would give money to the family after the family would complain about either medical bills (which turned out didn't exist), no rent money, no money for food, etc.

Already the prosecution apologists and spinners are out in force actually claiming the defense isn't putting on a strong case against testimony presented from the prosecution.

Well the truth must be really tearing them apart because some of the pro-prosecution pundits have closed ranks and are now, through their reports, actually trying to convince the public that the accuser, his brother, his sister and the mother being caught perjuring themselves is no big deal. Ha!

The more obvious this "case" becomes to the public, the more these same pundits try their damnedest to hold on to their future book profits and "analysts" jobs with various networks.

Yesterday, Simone Jackson, cousin of Michael Jackson, testified that she actually caught the accuser and his bother stealing wine out of the kitchen when Jackson was no where around. She says she confronted them, and they asked her not to tell anybody.

Simone Jackson was chummy with the accuser's older sister, Davellin. She also gave testimony that D. Arvizo told her the mother really wanted to go on the trip to Brazil. This is directly contradictory to what the mother testified to on the stand.

Another relative of Jackson's, Rijo Jackson (also spelled 'Rio'), has some of the most compelling and damning evidence to offer against the two Arvizo brothers. During one of his stays at Neverland, he was actually assigned to the same guest suite as the accuser and his brother in March 2003.

Just this fact alone knocks out the notion that Michael Jackson had the accuser sleeping in bed with him during that time period.

Rijo Jackson also testified that he saw Gavin and Star Arvizo under the covers masterbating while watching a sexually explicit video in the guest suite to which they were all assigned.

Not only that, but one of the boys was trying to solicit him to participate in the sex act with them. Isn't that ironic?

Rijo Jackson says he ran from the guest suite, scared, after seeing that incident and told his cousin, Jackson, "a little bit" about it.

If you remember, Gavin Arvizo was specifically asked on the stand by Mesereau under cross-examination if anyone had ever walked in on him masterbating. He categorically denied it. Well, now the public knows that he wasn't telling the truth before the jury.

Testimony from one of the maids also confirm that the accuser and his brother either stole some adult magazines from Jackson's bedroom or brought in their own stash because she saw some of the magazines in a backpack located in the guest suites to which they were assigned.

According to a CNN report dated today "Singer's cousin testifies in challenge to accuser's account", he says he told Jackson, but that Jackson really didn't believe him. From that article:
The young Jackson cousin told jurors in the entertainer's child molestation trial that the incident took place in early 2003, when he and his older sister were staying overnight at the ranch. He testified that after witnessing the incident, he ran to Jackson's bedroom in Neverland's main residence to tell him "a little bit" about what he had seen.

"He didn't believe that," Rio Jackson said of his famous first cousin. "He thought they were good."

R. Jackson also testified about yet another incident where Jackson apparently had ordered a bottle of wine to be delivered to his room from the chef, Angel Vivanco. But the accuser and his brother intercepted that bottle of wine.

Jackson later found it. It had been opened and some of the wine was missing. R. Jackson says he didn't tell Jackson about that because he didn't actually see the boys in the act of drinking it, according to an AP article titled "Young Cousin Testifies in Trial".

R. Jackson also says the Arvizo brothers stole money and other materials out of a drawer in the kitchen at the chef's station. He also saw them running from ranch manager Jesus Salas' office with money he thought the boys had taken.

In yet another instance of illustrating that Jackson wasn't at Neverland much of this time, R. Jackson says he didn't tell Michael Jackson because he (Jackson) was often away, reports the AP. Also according to the AP, he did, however, try to tell the maid about the money being stolen from the kitchen.

So now we have Jackson often away from Neverland or not around these kids during the prosecution's alleged "molestation" timeframe by yet another witness.

Remember, security guard Shane Meredith testified that he actually caught the two little hell-raisers in the wine cellar by themselves; an open bottle of wine between them. He, too, says that Jackson was nowhere around.

There are now 3 witnesses who set these accusers as breaking into the wine cellar, stealing wine from the kitchen, and hijacking wine that was to be delivered to Jackson's bedroom, again, not in Jackson's presence. Jackson was reportedly in the bathroom when the Arvizo's got their hands on the bottle.

According to Angel Vivanco, one of the boys also threatened to get Vivanco fired from Neverland if he didn't spike his milkshake with liquor.

The picture that this paints is that these two, Gavin and Star, were very manipulative, disruptive, disrespectful little thieves.

The pro-prosecution pundits will try to blame this on Jackson, but Jackson isn't their parent.

They will try to blame the "atmosphere" at Neverland as, according to them, it "HAS" to be Jackson's fault. They can't wrap their minds around the fact that these kids particularly were the problem.

Unless the DA can produce 10, 30, 50, 100 kids who all say that this was the regular "atmosphere" at Neverland, the jury is left with the picture that these two little "liars" were doing exactly what the defense said in their opening statement: they were lying, going through Jackson's private materials, breaking into the wine cellar, and going unchecked by their parent, Janet Arvizo.

Also taking the stand today was Christian Robinson, who actually participated in the interviews with that Arvizo family when they did their rebuttal interview. Robinson also was there for Debbie Rowe's interview.

Robinson interviewed the family. He says the family's answers were spontaneous.

He testified that there were no scripts, refuting the things Janet Arvizo sat on that stand, looked the jurors in the eyes and said. According to Robinson, during that rebuttal interview -- which never made it to the final version of the full rebuttal documentary which aired on Fox -- she was relaxed and talkative.

That makes at least 4 people who have refuted the allegation that the rebuttal interview with the family was scripted.

For the record, the four witnesses are Hamid Moslehi, Debbie Rowe, Iris Finsilver (Rowe's attorney), and now Christian Robinson.

Stay tuned!
 

minnie michael

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crazy Januts's two children are sososooso bad..i became to hate those two bad ass to crazy..

anyway..its NOT Mike's fault about those bad asses drink wine..that's their crazy mama's faults..i wanna ask where is their mama when they did those ugly dirty things???

cousin boy told MIke about their nasty things but Mike didnot believe that..and told his cousin they were good children..that's can prove MIke tried his best to protect his cousin from those nasty things..anyway Mike has no right to stop that two bad ass their nasty private things cos he is not their ture father..this is not his duty..

i bet everybody can see those two kids are NOT innocent kids at all..they knew how to drink, they watched naked women..they knew how to masterbate..they were NOT kids at all..just asking yourself: do you believe that wild Gavin were allowed someone touched him??? he was wild as craxy.. he was not timid, innocent lil kid..if someone wanna touched him , he had power to fight...i wanna Jury see that...
 

danaluvsmj

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1. Good news, since the defense was noted as "not" opening the door of character witnesses, the judge won't allow the State ( prosecution) to have bad character witnesses come in ( 1993 )

2. That the defense ran out of witnesses and also that huge 500 witness list, so they are cutting their case "SHORT!"

wow that's great! So this means the prosecution can't bring in the more witnesses they wanted?

If the defense is cutting their case short, does that mean this trial will end soon? :idontknow
 

SpecialJanet25

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Originally posted by danaluvsmj
wow that's great! So this means the prosecution can't bring in the more witnesses they wanted?

If the defense is cutting their case short, does that mean this trial will end soon? :idontknow


Well, according to Raymone Bain, the defense is not resting their case anytime soon. Those reports about ending their case next week are false. Plus, Jay Leno is scheduled to testify on Tuesday.

The defense shortned their witness list, not their case.

Don't worry, their still a lot to go on with the defense case.
 
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