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Post by Mack Dogg » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:07 pm

Originally posted by *rëåmÿ*
I think since the deliberating procees has begun, the posting of a description from each Jury member would be greatly valuable.

Seat 1 - Juror #66 - Male - Age 62 - Engineer - Santa Maria:
Believes media can be influential, thought Deepak Chopra was a rapper, married 13 years with 4 grown children, attends plays with his wife, tries to avoid Geraldo, says public believes what they hear instead of sorting it out, has taken law courses, says you have to look at each case; you can't generalize, says he tries to overlook differences in people's lifestyles.

Seat 2 - Juror #80 - Male - Age 63 - Retired:
Says children mostly tell the truth but will twist it a bit when it benefits them, has 2 adult children, married 8 years to an accountant, trusts government but questions war in Iraq and Vietnam, enjoys Old West art and does bronze casting, likes country/western stuff, has postgraduate degree, doesn't look at celebrity, sees Michael as a person who needs a fair trial.

Seat 3 - Juror #108 - Female - Age 50 - Horse Trainer - Solvang:
Saw LWMJ with Bashir and said that it was HIS (Bashir's) spin on it, no children, married to engineer for 28 years, says she owns 2 Jackson albums, thinks Michael is a wonderful entertainer, gives animal therapy to abused children, surprised by Mike's size; described him as small with lots of energy, skeptical about media coverage, says she was subject to many media inaccurate stories when she was an Olympic hopeful.

Seat 4 - Juror #26 - Female - Age 51 - High School Teacher:
Has teenage son and daughter, husband is an engineer, has graduate degree, says she danced to Michael's music when she was younger, she is also a retired computer programmer, likes to go to art galleries, critical of the media; says it interferes with getting a fair trial, says system can still be fair but it makes it harder to find jurors, says she never follows sensational cases.

Seat 5 - Juror #100 - Female - Age 79 - Retired:
Says she heard more about Michael in Russia than here in the US, widower with 2 adult children, she has a firm, loud voice, she has lived in the county for 1 year, some college, watches Jeopardy every day; calls herself a Jeopardy freak, says her children love Michael Jackson, she says they dance like MJ and she enjoys watching them moonwalk, says her grandson copped a plea and is listed as a sex offender, says this would help her be fair to Michael, says she bought perfume from a JCP clerk who once worked at Neverland, she is an old movie buff, likes things that make her happy, says she doesn't assume anything about anybody.

Seat 6 - Juror #157 - Female - Age 22 - Physical Therapist Aide - Lompoc:
Has 2 young daughters and lives with boyfriend, some college, works in nursing home, has an Aunt who visited Neverland, says Michael's music was long before her time , says she hopes he finds a fair jury despite all the press coverage, says she knows children can lie because of her experience with her own children.

Seat 7 - Juror #107 - Female - Age 42 - Special Ed Aide for SP students - Vandenburg Village:
Says she really likes Michael music, she is a Detroit native with a 6-yr military background, she is married with 4 children ranging from 4-20 years of age, she has an Associates degree, her sister was a victim of sexual assult as a young girl, her sister's children were molested by their father who is in prison in Florida, believes in making her own decisions about things, says she still can be totally open to both sides.

Seat 8 - Juror #151 - Female - Age 39 - Senior Office Specialist:
Has lived in county for 5 years, says she knows Michael is a great artist but that's about it, married to a reporter and has no children, first language is Indonesian, has Associate degree, works for Santa Barbara County, says she is skeptical about media and would like to think they don't affect jury decisions, thinks children do lie; says it is easier to get the truth out of lying children than it is to get it from lying adults, says she gets most of her news from FOX, says she is a Bill O'Reilly fan.

Seat 9 - Juror #88 - Female - Age 45 - Supermarket Worker - Solvang:
Hobby is cooking, married with 3 children ages 14-26 but her children live in Texas, her first language is Castilian Spanish, husband was arrested for drunk driving, says she never followed Michael's career but grew up with his music, thinks he is a wonderful entertainer, says she never pays attention to media reports about celebrities; says she just kinda blows it off.

Seat 10 - Juror #153 - Male - Age 20 - Assistant Head Cashier - Santa Maria:
Single with no children - high school graduate, very soft spoken, answered most questions with a YES or NO responses, Hispanic, his brother-in-law has a sister who works for Michael's doctor, his sister and her boyfriend have been to Neverland, says he prefers the Simpsons over the news, says he normally watches FOX but is skeptical of the news, says he definitely can keep an open mind.

Seat 11 - Juror #101 - Male - Age 21 - Student:
Has a sly, self-depreciating sense of humor, single with no children, wants to be a motor sports journalist, he is disabled and in a wheelchair, visited Neverland when he was in the 6th grade with his Cerebral Palsy group, says media coverage is way too much for something like this, says children like him because they are taller than he is, calls his 3-year old nephew his "mini-me" and likes having him around, said man who brought lawsuit against restaurants made disabled people look bad.

Seat 12 - Juro #77 - Female - Age 44 - Social Service Worker - Santa Maria:
Has lived in Santa Maria for most of her life, divorced from former SB County Police Officer and has an adult son, believes children can be influenced by their parents, likes museums and theatre, had a step-child who used to lie to her a lot, says she would be cautious with child's testimony; says she would scrutinize the child's testimony a bit more, says justice system prevails despite the media, says Michael is a great entertainer


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Post by floacist » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:10 pm

You ever get that feeling when it feels like you're heart is in your throat?Yeah kinda got that right now.

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Post by MJJ_Lover » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:12 pm

God is with Michael. ((huggggs everyoneee))
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Post by whisper » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:13 pm

News from the main MJEOL site:


JUNE 3 2005 -- Closing arguments are now over and the jury has began deliberations now.

Defense attorney Tom Mesereau finished his incredibly powerful closing statement today. He literally picked apart the different versions of the different stories Gavin, Star, Davellin and Janet Arvizo all told.

He touched on everything from the under oath grand jury testimony, to police statements, to under oath court statements; highlighting numerous inconsistent stories. And according to CNN's Jeff Toobin, he did so very effectively as well.

According to Court TV's Savannah Guthrie, Mesereau was "fast-paced", "intense" and "focused" on laying his case out before the jury. Of this prosecution against Jackson, during closing arguments Mesereau said the prosecution has engaged in "a mean-spirited, nasty attempt, a barbaric attempt to dehumanize and degrade Mr. Jackson."

In one of her reports, she relays:
Well, what he's doing is seizing on these inconsistent statements that he says the family has made. And he's literally going witness by witness. He started with the accuser, he moved to the brother, he moved to the sister. Now he's on the mother.

Going through their testimony and pointing out what he called are lies. For example, he says the accuser conveniently has changed the dates of the molestations because he knew he had to deal with this interview-- this rebuttal video where he was extolling the virtues of Michael Jackson. So he [Mesereau] says the dates of the alleged molestations have changed.

He said the number of times of that he said he was molested have changed. First, the accuser said 'oh about 5 times'. On the stand, he said two times.

He told the story about how the accuser initially said that it was his grandmother who told him this story about 'oh if you don’t masterbate, you might rape a girl'. But on the witness stand for the first time, to everyone's shock, he then attributed that statement to Michael Jackson. Even the police officers -- the lead investigator didn't see that coming.

[Mesereau] said, "He's a liar. He's a perjurer. And that's an excuse." [Mesereau] said, "He flip-flopped all over the place because he's a liar." And at one point, [Mesereau] looked at the jurors and he said "How many lies does this guy have to tell for you to see what's going on?"


Totally explosive and devastating closing argument from Mesereau. And that's only the tip of the iceberg.

According to Guthrie and Jennifer London (msnbc), Mesereau also talked about the financial windfall the accuser's family hopes to find themselves in by getting a conviction against Jackson.

In her report, Guthrie quotes:
GUTHRIE: …He has argued that the whole purpose of this criminal case is so that those -- that family can come into civil court with a criminal conviction and get paid.

And he just said to the jurors "If you convict Michael Jackson of anything, they're gonna be multi-millionaires. It’s the biggest con of their career. They'll be celebrating. They're waiting, they just need you to help them. "


Mesereau talked about that video prosecutors showed at the end of their case. Mesereau told the jurors to "look at it as he lies". Quoting more from Guthrie's report:
GUTHRIE: Yes. In fact, Tom Mesereau used that video that everybody else has talked about. The accuser's first interview. He said "I hope you do look at his demeanor." He said, "Look at his demeanor as he lies."

He also said "Look at him on the witness stand. Remember, he didn't get angry or upset when he relayed this alleged molestation." You know the other time he got angry was when he was talking about Michael Jackson rejected his family; how he didn't want to be apart of this accuser's family any more. That was the only time that the boy got mad.

He once again said, "He's cunning and he's smart. Remember what Chris Tucker said."


Mesereau laid into the mother as well. Yesterday, Mesereau says the mother committed perjury right inside the courtroom in front of these jurors. He also says that perjury was a habit to her.

He talked about the mother's modus operandi (MO) as being someone who doesn't outright ask for money, but rather lays a trap with her "tales of woe" while people open their wallets to her.

Mesereau also played clips from the outtakes of the Bashir "documentary"; clips that Bashir purposely left out of the broadcast version. Legal observers say that Jackson's opinions about his life are explained to a much more complete extent than what was shown on the broadcast version, and that it was quite clear Bashir "lied to Jackson".

According to Guthrie, people inside the courtroom actually applauded when Mesereau finished playing the outtakes. Definitely not a good sign for the prosecution, says some hosts and reporters covering the trial.

http://site2.mjeol.com/modules/news/articl...hp?storyid=1722

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Post by MJJ_Lover » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:18 pm

Thank you Whisper from the bottom of my heart for always being an incredible source of information, and giving of yourself for Michael, the fans, the world... The light within the darkness you eluminate through awareness.
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Post by James12 » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:20 pm

Originally posted by Mack Dogg
Roger Friedman gave Zonen an A for his closing, But gave Mez an A+ for his!! I disagree with the A he gave Zonen, but everything else I agree with.


Roger Friedman said that the defense could have brought in more good witnesses, but he fails to see the strategy that Mesereau was probably using, which was not to bring in too many witnesses in case the testimony of the most important witnesses got diluted. Too many conpiracy witnesses, for example, would have given the impression that the molestations counts had been less well defended.

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Post by A.Beautiful.Mind » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:24 pm

How do you know all of this.


We were provided with vauge disciption's of each jury member when they were choose during jury selection.
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Post by Mack Dogg » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:26 pm

Originally posted by James12
Roger Friedman said that the defense could have brought in more good witnesses, but he fails to see the strategy that Mesereau was probably using, which was not to bring in too many witnesses in case the testimony of the most important witnesses got diluted. Too many conpiracy witnesses, for example, would have given the impression that the molestations counts had been less well defended.


You're right Friedo always says this person should have been a def. witness, that person. Mez did his thang!
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Post by Mack Dogg » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:28 pm

Originally posted by *rëåmÿ*
We were provided with vauge disciption's of each jury member when they were choose during jury selection.


Oh ok thanks!
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Post by EuphoricNostalgia » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:58 pm

God, I'm soo nervous right. My hands are like shaking while typing this! Its already 5am here in my country but I'm still waiting on news!!! I haven't got any sleep cuz I'm sooo excited about the verdict. I'm pretty confident that Michael will be acquitted and I am hoping to hear just that by the next few moments...
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Post by Eboni » Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:01 pm

Originally posted by WinterFlower
God, I'm soo nervous right. My hands are like shaking while typing this! Its already 5am here in my country but I'm still waiting on news!!! I haven't got any sleep cuz I'm sooo excited about the verdict. I'm pretty confident that Michael will be acquitted and I am hoping to hear just that by the next few moments...



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Post by MJISHOT » Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:01 pm

i just got home from work. I didnt think jury would start deliberations till monday
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Post by Frenchy » Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:09 pm

Why would they ask for an extension if they didn't think it possible to reach a verdict today?... But still, even if they do, since court will be closed starting 2:30 PM (in 20 minutes), the verdict wouldn't be made known until Monday morning, or what?...

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Post by whisper » Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:36 pm

Please post in the official jury deliberations thread.

http://forums.mjeol.com/showthread.php?t=6487

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