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Post by MJ_FAN_FOR_LIFE733 » Tue May 24, 2005 10:23 pm

wow, I can't believe the trial is ending so fast! Kick 'em while they're up kick 'em while they're down-Thst's what Chris is gonna do. :D
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Post by Cristine87 » Tue May 24, 2005 10:57 pm

Originally posted by dangerous
Well obviously he didnt come right out and ask for money, he TRIED to get money from Leno. Con artists dont usually coem right out on the first meeting. And fu.ck Leno for giving everything he could to the prosecution. The police called him? My ass. They just had a hunch or something and gave him a ring? Bullshit. HIs ass called and at most they called him back. Gshit denied ever talking to Leno, so that alone shot a hole in his claim. Asshole.


Exactly! Why the hell would the cops call him? & you're right, Gavin said he never spoke to Leno, he was caught up in a lie right there. Obviously, he's not gonna ask for money the first time he calls. He was trying to cozy up to Jay Leno like his family does every celebrity. Why did Jay rub me the wrong way? It's like he didn't want to help the defense too much. Guess it would mess up his opening monologue. :extremely


Dreamy, let me tell you this. According to MsTenda at MJJForum, Mez is saying the timeline for closing arguments. As for '93 allegations, this trial is not about '93 case. The defense did not talk much about Jordy Chandler, despite that ridiculous claim from that security guard. Mez and the defense knows more than we do. I'm sure he's saving that for the rebuttal. They worked very hard fighting for Michael's life here. We don't want this trial to go on until July or August. Regardless what happens, God is the one who will guide Michael. After Chris Tucker finishes his testimony, who know what the defense will do next.


I have to agree! This case is not about 1993, it's about the Arvizo family & that is what the defense concentrated on but they did rebut what the prosecution said about Wade, Mac & Brett by putting them on the stand which was great & they would have no reason to lie for him. The defense still has to rebut & I'm looking foward to a wonderful closing statement by Mez because he obviously has alot to work with.

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Post by floacist » Wed May 25, 2005 12:12 am

Nice to see how Leno was making fun of his experience in court today on his late night show. I am going to say it for the 100th time, why does Jay Leno still feel the need to make fun of him?I dont find any of this funny and witnessing these scam artists first hand how is Leno still using this as his sad material?

Also Jane Valez needs to remove her lips from Nancy's ugly ass because its getting a bit much and even though Nancy is about as trash as it gets she was playing Leno's MJ jokes on her show...what a skeezer.

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Post by ~Vicky~ » Wed May 25, 2005 12:32 am

I was saying last week that judging by Mesereau's comment that 'a number of weeks is an overstatement of the amount of time we'll need here' that it meant the defense would rest in a number of days.

A lot of people on MJJF fought me on that, I don't know why.

Anyway..

I'm not comfortable at where it's going to be left. It's obvious Michael will be cleared of the conspiracy charge, no doubt.

But the molestation allegations needed more attention...and I know it's been said over and over, but it really does. That was the heart of this case, the reason for this whole thing that has lasted 12 years.

If they don't touch on it enough, the prosecution WILL use that against them in closing statements. They will mention Jason Francia, they didn't address him.


*sigh*

I know I'm not the attorney with the law degree here, but I know Mesereau said he'd hold '5 mini trials' for each of the 'past acts'. Robson, Barnes, and Culkin and family helped. But if not Chandler, at least go for Francia.

He was a grown man freaking crying on the stand.

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Post by floacist » Wed May 25, 2005 12:56 am

Originally posted by NevaehDreamz

But the molestation allegations needed more attention...and I know it's been said over and over, but it really does. That was the heart of this case, the reason for this whole thing that has lasted 12 years.

If they don't touch on it enough, the prosecution WILL use that against them in closing statements. They will mention Jason Francia, they didn't address him.




See thats what I didnt want to say but you are right. Mez has done nothing but kicked ass but I personally think that the charges that meant the most needed the most attention to finally put the lies to rest but havent been focused as much as they should have.

I am just praying the Justice will actually prevail in this situation.

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Post by coco » Wed May 25, 2005 3:24 am

I think the molestation stuff has been adressed.
I mean, look, we have many points leading to the molestation :
- Gcrap had a strange behavior
>> well we have 20 witnesses to attest he has always been a hellboy
- Gcrap never saw porn before Mike did show him
>> well actually (and for a 13 year old ass, it's quite usual) he did !
- Gcrap familly was kidnapped and molestation happend there
>> well it looks like it's soo far from the truth

I mean, look, all elements that were supposed to lead and indicate molestation have vanished, and that's the point, it's quite hard to prove Mike didn't do what he didn't do ! but it's quite easy to prove that it's a nonsense, considering all the facts around the case.

>> last thing, according to the law, according to what a jury and a juge should do, prosecution had to PROVE Mike's GUILT, and not the opposite, THEY DIDN'T ! they didn't at all, that's why it's so hard to defend (even if it's clear in our mind), prosecution is playing on the rumors, on tabloids witnesses, on crap and more crap...

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Post by alfredo » Wed May 25, 2005 8:23 am

Originally posted by NevaehDreamz
I was saying last week that judging by Mesereau's comment that 'a number of weeks is an overstatement of the amount of time we'll need here' that it meant the defense would rest in a number of days.

A lot of people on MJJF fought me on that, I don't know why.

Anyway..

I'm not comfortable at where it's going to be left. It's obvious Michael will be cleared of the conspiracy charge, no doubt.

But the molestation allegations needed more attention...and I know it's been said over and over, but it really does. That was the heart of this case, the reason for this whole thing that has lasted 12 years.

If they don't touch on it enough, the prosecution WILL use that against them in closing statements. They will mention Jason Francia, they didn't address him.


*sigh*

I know I'm not the attorney with the law degree here, but I know Mesereau said he'd hold '5 mini trials' for each of the 'past acts'. Robson, Barnes, and Culkin and family helped. But if not Chandler, at least go for Francia.

He was a grown man freaking crying on the stand.




You're forgetting that Mez did go after Jason. After the weeping episode that the jury didn't buy(see other posts about the jury laughing it up!), Mez showed the transcript of the interview that Jason first had where he strongly fought the accusations. They badgered him and it was not until his mother became part of the NL5 did he report the tickling incident. He couldn't remember his own lawyer's name. He told the cops he didn't want to be taped because he thought it was "wierd". He was as dismantled as you can get on these types of charges.


As for Chandler, that case was though the NL5 folks. Mez wipe the floor with them. They all claimed that the other boys were victims. They (the other boys) showed up and say they were not. They(NL5) claimed they witness these activities and did nothing to stop it. They(NL5) still brought their families to NL events and they sold their stories. Again, noone believes these idiots. The prosecutor was reduced to suggesting that they were asleep during the molestation. For crying out loud.

Remember, June said nothing. The 35 year-old crying to sleep with your kid doesn't sound real. She supposedly gives in and allows it ot continue for months more before she "realizes" that that may not be appropriate. Mez will address that in his closing. She does not witness anything.


If Mez were to go into that, you end up with the transcript and pictures coming in from '93. Why go down that road if you don't have to? This is about this case. Think to yourself...what/who were the D.A. best witnesses. Which ones were not either decimated or turn into defense witnesses? The wine issue was resolved, the kidnapping conspiracy is a joke. There is no case without these items. Because to believe the molestation you have to accept that your star witnesses have lied to you about the wine and the kidnapping.


Even the cops are going to be hammered in closing. They didn't figerprint wine bottles in the cellar or the stairrail to MJ room. They found one fingerprint of MJ and the kid on a single mag. Please. Try reading a book with your kid and getting only one fingerprint of yours and his on the same page. Now try it again after getting the kid drunk. This is ridiculous.

I'm with Mez all the way. Make short work of this stupid case. Let the jury go home. A short case shows you're confident. Sneddon's drawn out display lasted weeks too long. He promised blockbuster witnesses like Provienco that turn out to be loosers. He told the jury about Carter that never showed; He told the jury that all of his witnesses were going to back his story, including Debbie Rowe, only the NL5 did. But they are all damaged beyond repair including Francia (Jason & Mom).


My thoughts.

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Post by SpecialJanet25 » Wed May 25, 2005 9:26 am

Thank you so much for that Alfredo. Mez already attack Francia through cross-exam. June Chandler's testimony was useless. This case is not about '93. The only reason why Sneddon brought in the 1108 witnesses was to boast his weak case. Mez is not stupid. He's knows what's he's doing.
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Post by A.Beautiful.Mind » Wed May 25, 2005 10:20 am

I have to agree! This case is not about 1993, it's about the Arvizo family & that is what the defense concentrated on but they did rebut what the prosecution said about Wade, Mac & Brett by putting them on the stand which was great & they would have no reason to lie for him. The defense still has to rebut & I'm looking foward to a wonderful closing statement by Mez because he obviously has alot to work with.


It's very well saying that we're not dealing with the 1993 case here, but the prosecution pleaded with the judge to allow these prior acts in so it does have some significance in relation to the current allegation's. Even though the defense already dismantled the credability of the former disgruntled employee's who testified that they witnessed inappropriate behaviour on Michael's part, I still assumed that he would spotlight Jordan Chandlers and Jason Francia's allegation's because those seems to be the strongest witness's for the prosecution.

The whole point in bringing in the prior bad acts was to reveal a supposed pattern and give the impression to the jury that molestation could have occured again. The jury aren't going to reach a verdict without taking these prior acts into consideration even though we're not dealing with the 1993 allegation's but thats why the prosecution purposely but them into place.

But if I was a jury member, I would question why not one of these employee's never went to the police. I can consider the possibility of several of these employee's not going to law enforcement agency's, but not all of them

I just would have felt alot more comfortable if the defense took the opportunity to discuss Jordan Chandler and Jason Francia's allegation throughout their presentation because in my opinion they would have benifited from it.

It could be that the defense know what the prosecution are going to address during their rebuttal, so the defense could be saving their ammunition for this, so it couldn't give the prosecution the opportunity to rebut the defense's claims if they were to address these issue's throughout their presentation. Therefore making the defense team to go out with a BANG

I don't mean to cause controversary, but these are only my feeling's.

I'll say it again, my evaluation's aren't professional however the Defense team are, so they know what they're doing.
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Post by SpecialJanet25 » Wed May 25, 2005 11:02 am

Dreamy, look, read Alfredo's posted above. That will give you a better understanding. What's the point about talking about Jordy Chandler when this kid did not come in and testify. His mother's testimony was useless. The case has got to end somewhere and somehow. You are worry and so am I. Before any of us, jump to conclusions about Mez should do, let wait and see what Chris Tucker has to say and what Sneddon has for his rebuttal and what or if Mez has strike back at it.
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Post by HeavenSent » Wed May 25, 2005 11:08 am

Originally posted by alfredo

I'm with Mez all the way. Make short work of this stupid case. Let the jury go home. A short case shows you're confident. Sneddon's drawn out display lasted weeks too long. He promised blockbuster witnesses like Provienco that turn out to be loosers. He told the jury about Carter that never showed; He told the jury that all of his witnesses were going to back his story, including Debbie Rowe, only the NL5 did. But they are all damaged beyond repair including Francia (Jason & Mom).



Agreed.

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Post by A.Beautiful.Mind » Wed May 25, 2005 11:52 am

Dreamy, look, read Alfredo's posted above. That will give you a better understanding


It's not the understanding in the case that I'm lacking, I can assure you that.

but In light of what I've said previously. I'll just say;

The defense have most definitely been able to create reasonable doubt on all of these charges that Michael has been faced with through every witness that has taken that stand to testify.

I think whats beating me up is that we've saw the media ridicule and show their prejudice throughout the duration of the trial consistently saying that Michael will be convicted and only now they are begining to see the light. I think I want more and more vindication for Michael so the media can't begin to question the final verdict (Not guilty) when the trial has been concluded, so the release of that burden from the media insunating that Michael is a predator is gone for him. The defense are the professionals in this field and they know when they've proved their case, so I quess it time for me to accept that decision and renounce my feelings of discomfort.
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Post by MJISHOT » Wed May 25, 2005 11:53 am

Originally posted by HeavenSent
Not to the point that I can't breathe! LMAO :laugh

This is more like 'alright, take a deep exhale ,this is the moment I've been waiting for'.

Because it seemed like all I did was complain about sneddon delaying the inevitable...about why it's taking so damn long. we see the end of this hot garbage over the horizon--and for me, personally, it's like: "good, thank you!"


I think Mez's closing statement is going to be REALLY powerful. When his client had to go thru all this JUST to proclaim him innocent? or in legal terms, "not guilty"? I trust Mez w/his track record can end this thing at the drop of a dime. Him being the skilled lawyer that he is, may address all of the questions we have all @ once. Sometimes less is more.

Amanda I'm okay w/this, really I am!


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