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Post by HeavenSent » Mon May 23, 2005 3:09 pm

Originally posted by whisper
Those who were wondering if the defense would get to the welfare fraud, they're doing that today with the Welfare eligibility officer on the stand.
oooh thank you! let's hope they slice and dice and call this woman out.
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Post by got2makeitright » Mon May 23, 2005 3:12 pm

Originally posted by HeavenSent
Dont get mad, it's true.

No iam not that person please dont every say that because you jus hurt my feelings.

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Post by sistahlamb » Mon May 23, 2005 3:13 pm

About the Diane Diamond thing:

23rd of May
The Justice System has learnt that Diane Diamond, of Court TV, has found a way to sidestep the rules prohibiting contact with the outside from within the court room.

The overflow room is an extension of the court room. It is a trailer in the back of the court house and is used for media who couldn’t get into court; they’re able to view the proceedings live from a television. The rules prohibiting contact with the outside are the same in the overflow room — however, in the overflow room, people are able to come and go whenever they please, to go to the restroom, etc. The court room is far more strict in this regard; if you leave, you’re only able to re-enter at the next designated break.

Diane has a partner in the overflow room who steps out from time to time to report back to her using his Blackberry text messaging and emailing device. Pool Media Co-ordinator Peter Shaplen, who is in charge of media, cameras, etc. stated: “As long as they are outside the overflow room, it’s legal.”

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Post by Cristine87 » Mon May 23, 2005 3:20 pm

Originally posted by whisper
Those who were wondering if the defense would get to the welfare fraud, they're doing that today with the Welfare eligibility officer on the stand.
Now, that's what I'm talkin about! :popcorn

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Post by got2makeitright » Mon May 23, 2005 3:22 pm

think they're right.
cuz at this point, I think the thing that hurts the whole case the most is the conspircary.
the jury saw how "convinced" the prosecution was of those charges and how hard they were trying to make the jury believe in these charges.
every knows that they're beyond rediculous and they sound like a 5 year old made them up... the only thing missing would be a unicorn and a talking pig
so, the jury must think that the molestation charges are made up just like the conspiracy charges.


the conspiracy charges are a blessing

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Post by sistahlamb » Mon May 23, 2005 3:23 pm

(from MJNO) Update:

Mercy (sp) ? (from welfare dept) just took the stand who is going to testify that it is fraud if someone does not dislcose all information in regards to their income when applying for welfare.

She is showing the jury the application that Janet Arvizo filled out when filing for welfare on Nov 15th 2001. Clearly shows she never gave info about the JC Penny settlement or other sources of income she recieved at the time of filing out the application, which means she lied on the application and committed fraud.

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Post by sistahlamb » Mon May 23, 2005 3:24 pm

another update(from MJNO):

Still on the stand the welfare worker. She said Janet Arvizo did not list the $32,000 plus other souces of income ( in the thousands) she recieved 2 weeks prior to filling out the application.

Also, juror # 12 is also a welfare elligability person who goes over the welfare applications and approves or disaproves the applications.

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Post by got2makeitright » Mon May 23, 2005 3:44 pm

Jennifer London on MSNBC :

- a social worker testified that 10 days before the mother recieved welfare checks she recieved alot of money from the JC penny settlement.

- the mother didn't inform the social worker and didn't say her children and ex-husband recieved money aswell

- later today the jury may hear from some of marlon brando relatvies.

- they are expected to testify about the boys' behavior

- the defense may rest later this week

Booya!!! :tooexcite

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Post by MJISHOT » Mon May 23, 2005 4:05 pm

Originally posted by got2makeitright
No iam not that person please dont every say that because you jus hurt my feelings.
i cant stand liars!!
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Post by got2makeitright » Mon May 23, 2005 4:11 pm

please dont call me a liar.Accuser's Mom Said to Defraud Welfare

By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP Special Correspondent

13 minutes ago

SANTA MARIA, Calif. - The mother of Michael Jackson's accuser committed fraud when she did not disclose on a welfare application that her family received funds from a $152,000 lawsuit settlement 10 days earlier, a welfare official testified Monday in Jackson's child molestation trial.

Jackson's defense, which seeks to show that the accuser's family has a history moneymaking schemes, also called an accountant to show that the family dined, shopped and had other expenses at a cost of $7,000 to Jackson during a week they were allegedly being held captive.

Mercy Manriquez, an employee of the Los Angeles County Department of Public Social Services, testified that she was the intake worker on the mother's Nov. 15, 2001, application for assistance which said that the woman had no other sources of income and no assets.

Manriquez testified that a person who willfully excludes sources of income from the forms that were signed by the accuser's mother is guilty of fraud.

"Would it be fraud to fail to disclose it at this point?" defense attorney Robert Sanger asked.

"Yes it would be," the witness said.

Before the mother testified in the trial she invoked Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination on the welfare issue and was not required to testify about it. However, Superior Court Judge Rodney S. Melville allowed the defense to present records and testimony about it to jurors.

The records included a statement of facts filed on Nov. 15, 2001, and a second document filed on Oct. 23, 2002, which was identified as the woman's "yearly affirmation" that her situation remained the same and she still needed welfare payments.

Jurors also saw checks for $769 each in monthly payments which were deposited in the bank account of the woman's then-boyfriend who is now her husband.

The accountant, Mike Radakovich, said he was hired by the defense to analyze records submitted to him including a summary of the settlement of a lawsuit against J.C. Penney.

Radakovich said the total amount of the settlement was $152,000, of which portions went to each of the woman's three children, her former husband and to attorneys' fees.

The mother's share was $32,307, which was deposited into an account for the benefit of one of her sons, who then had cancer, Radakovich testified. That boy would later become Jackson's accuser.

Within days, however, Radakovich said, most of the money had been withdrawn and was used to buy a cashier's check for $29,000 written to a Ford dealership.

The mother testified previously in the trial that she considered buying a car with those funds but never did. There was no evidence that the check was ever cashed.

Deputy District Attorney Gordon Auchincloss objected to the admission of all of the documents, suggesting their authenticity was insufficiently supported.

The judge initially did not admit them as evidence but said the defense could show them to jurors and could use them in final arguments.

Jackson, 46, is accused of molesting a 13-year-old boy in February or March 2003, giving him alcohol and conspiring to hold the family captive to get them to make a video rebutting a damaging TV documentary, "Living With Michael Jackson," which aired in the U.S. on Feb. 6, 2003.

In the documentary, the boy held hands with Jackson and the pop star said he let children sleep in his bed but it was an innocent, non-sexual practice.

The accounting testimony also showed Quicken bookkeeping entries for Jackson's Neverland Valley Entertainment Co., which picked up the bills for expenses during a period when the family was staying at a hotel in the San Fernando Valley.

Purchases were made at a luggage store and for clothing from a Camarillo, Calif., shopping center. Charges included clothes from Banana Republic, Pacific Sunwear, Levi's and Anchor Blue. For one two-day period the shopping total was $4,800, according to the records.

In other testimony, one of Jackson's former housekeepers testified that an alarm that sounds when anyone enters the pop star's bedroom suite had the same volume during a test recorded this year as it did in previous years.

Maria Gomez's testimony was aimed at discrediting an account by the accuser's brother, who testified he twice entered the two-story master bedroom suite at Neverland and while on the stairs inside the suite he saw Jackson molest his brother on the upstairs bed.

The defense contends the events related by the brother never happened and seeks to show that the alarm would have alerted Jackson that someone was entering the suite.

Gomez was questioned about a test conducted by a defense witness to measure the volume of the alarm, which is a chime similar to those at the doors of convenience stores.

Prosecutors suggest that the chime may have played at a louder volume during the test than it did at the time Jackson's accuser and the boy's brother were staying at Neverland. The prosecution also claims the alarm is quiet enough to have gone unheard upstairs.

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Associated Press Writer Tim Molloy contributed to this report.


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I wouldn't mind if the defense rested today
the defense totally exposed the mother today and showed the "witness" for the molestation was lying.
I can't even imagine how much damage chris tucker will do to the prosecution's case

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Post by whisper » Mon May 23, 2005 4:19 pm

Thanks for posting that Deutsch article. So the defense is getting to both the welfare fraud and the thousands of dollars spent on these assholes.

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Post by Aaliyah » Mon May 23, 2005 4:26 pm

Marian Arvizo
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Post by got2makeitright » Mon May 23, 2005 4:29 pm

OMG wow!!

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Post by sistahlamb » Mon May 23, 2005 4:30 pm

OMG!!!! Is that one of the Arvizo's relatives???????????

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