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Post by Tiger Lilly » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:58 pm

Originally posted by dangerous
LOL!
The prosecution are using that reasoning (the second quote) to compel the defense to hand over the information regarding where that tape came from. They really really want to know, mainly because.... (insert whispers quote)
Ahhh ok I get it! Thanks so much Ashley! :rose: Where would I be without you? :laugh

So not alot's happened that we didn't expect already eg Sneddon's a$s not being moved?

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Post by whisper » Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:02 pm

Originally posted by Tiger Lilly
Okay I can understand that but you also typed this Ashley...


How is that good?
Then whisper says this...



Sorry if I sound dumb, don't reply to me if you don't want. I'm confusing myself with my drivvel. :laugh
Prosecutors are trying to put their spin on it. That's all. Something tells me she may have been caught on tape saying some very incriminating things.

Prosecutors, as they have done before, are trying to put a negative spin on it and are trying to get around it. Any type of inciminating info against this accusing family automatically draws accusations from prosecutors against the person who got the incriminating info. That's their game plan: accusing everyone of breaking the law who has solid evidence against the accusing family.

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Post by Tiger Lilly » Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:05 pm

Originally posted by whisper
Prosecutors are trying to put their spin on it. That's all. Something tells me she may have been caught on tape saying some very incriminating things.

Prosecutors, as they have done before, are trying to put a negative spin on it and are trying to get around it. Any type of inciminating info against this accusing family automatically draws accusations from prosecutors against the person who got the incriminating info. That's their game plan: accusing everyone of breaking the law who has solid evidence against the accusing family.
LOL nothing new there then. Thank you whisper! :rose:

I take it this is still going on as we speak, right?

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Post by SpecialJanet25 » Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:57 pm

I'm not surprised that dumb ass judge didn't kick Sneddon off the case. I knew that wasn't going to happen. But you know something, Sneddon is in enough trouble with a whole bunch lawsuits on his ass. I can't wait to the see the look on his face when (or if) Michael wins. LOL, Anyway, we gotten keep your heads up because this isn't over yet.
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Post by mixahl » Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:57 pm

What about the rest of the issues Mel would decide on today (bail; prosecution's raid of the place of Michael's assistant)..? Any news on these?

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Post by whisper » Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:53 pm

Originally posted by mixahl
What about the rest of the issues Mel would decide on today (bail; prosecution's raid of the place of Michael's assistant)..? Any news on these?
I think that's to be discussed tomorrow. We really aren't getting much of any information reported.

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Post by whisper » Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:53 pm

November 4, 2004

Jackson Wants "Vindictive" Prosecutor Removed

New Media Producer: Kerry Corum

A California judge is expected to rule Thursday on a request by Michael Jackson to remove the prosecutor in his child molestation case and allow the state attorney general to intervene.

Jackson says his upcoming trial is nothing more than a grudge match by a vindictive prosecutor.

Court papers filed by Jackson's lawyer say District Attorney Tom Sneddon "is motivated by personal animosity" that prevents a fair trial for Jackson.

Sneddon has denied any such bias and Attorney General Bill Lockyer filed a motion supporting him.

Jackson's lawyers have claimed that Sneddon has had a vendetta against the singer since failing to get charges filed against him in a 1993 allegation of child molestation.

A Loyola University expert says it's unlikely that Jackson's side will prevail even if Sneddon's behavior is inappropriate.

Source: http://www.14wfie.com/Global/story.asp? ... v=3w6oSkCq

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Post by Cristine87 » Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:58 pm

OMG, no matter what happens the judge will deny all the defense's motions & give the D.A. the benefit of the doubt! I want the freakin' trial to begin already so it can be over & done with. Michael was arrested in November of 2003, it's now a year later & we're still going through the same shit! I see like this, Michael's only hope is either an appeals court or at the worst his fate will end up in the hands of 12 individuals who I pray to God will see what the hell is going on instead of jumping on the he's-weird-so-he's-guilty bandwagon!

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Post by whisper » Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:19 am

http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/ ... 1/04a.html

Mesereau also dropped two bombshells, claiming the raid at Neverland didn't turn up the alleged victim's DNA in Jackson's room and also charging the DA once travelled to Australia seeking other Jackson victims, but couldn't find any.

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Post by HoldMeThrillMe » Fri Nov 05, 2004 3:35 am

F.UCKING DIEEEEEEEEE SNEDDON.

.... Ok, I have some major pent up anger right now...

This is suuuuuuuuuuch f.ucking shit.

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Post by whisper » Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:04 am

Judge: Sneddon can stay on Jackson case

Judge found no 'disabling conflict'

11/5/04
By DAWN HOBBS

NEWS-PRESS STAFF WRITER


A judge refused Thursday to throw veteran prosecutor Tom Sneddon off the Michael Jackson case.

Superior Court Judge Rodney Melville disagreed with defense lawyers, who said the Santa Barbara County district attorney has misused his power in the child molestation case against the entertainer.

"It is my belief he has not been excessively zealous and has not threatened the integrity of the investigation up to this point," Judge Melville said in the Santa Maria courtroom Thursday morning.

Judge Melville's ruling means that Mr. Sneddon will continue to pursue the high-profile case that has attracted worldwide attention.

Mr. Jackson's lawyers had alleged that Mr. Sneddon was waging a vendetta against their client stemming from a failed 1993 child molestation investigation that also targeted Mr. Jackson.

But the judge said a prosecutor may be removed from a case only if there is a conflict so grave that it would be unlikely the defendant would receive a fair trial. Judge Melville said he found "no disabling conflict."

Judge Melville had previously characterized some of Mr. Sneddon's conduct during the grand jury hearing in April as "regrettable."

The judge noted Thursday that he plans to keep a tight rein on attorneys during the upcoming trial in his courtroom: "There will be controls during this trial while the jury is present. The conduct of the district attorney will be under my direction. If he appears excessively zealous -- it will be taken care of."

The judge's ruling came after he heard heated arguments about Mr. Sneddon's conduct.

Lead defense lawyer Thomas Mesereau contended that Mr. Sneddon has been "blinded by zeal" in an attempt to convict his client and pointed to the use of 70 officers to raid Mr. Jackson's ranch and nearly 100 subsequent search warrants. The prosecutors "have done more to intimidate Mr. Jackson than they have done to go after serial killers and alleged murderers," Mr. Mesereau said.

Senior Deputy District Attorney Ron Zonen countered each of the defense allegations and defended Mr. Sneddon's record.

Mr. Zonen said: "Tom Sneddon was elected to district attorney in 1982 by an overwhelming majority of the vote. No one has run against him since that time. . . . No one in the state of California has held the position of district attorney longer than Tom Sneddon. He's been elected repeatedly because . . . of his skill, hard work and, particularly, his integrity."

Mr. Jackson pleaded not guilty in April to child molestation and conspiracy charges. Trial is scheduled to begin in January.

The pretrial hearing continues today. Sheriff's detectives who seized items from the Sherman Oaks home office of Mr. Jackson's personal assistant are expected to take the stand. Defense lawyers contend some of the items taken violate attorney-client privilege, particularly items in three folders labeled "Mesereau."

Judge Melville's decision Thursday marks the third time he has denied a defense motion attacking the prosecution.

In October, defense lawyers petitioned the judge to drop the indictment against their client, claiming Mr. Sneddon "bullied" witnesses during the grand jury proceeding and presented inadmissible evidence. Also last month, the defense lawyers requested that the judge throw out material seized in the November 2003 raids of Mr. Jackson's Neverland Valley Ranch and a private investigator's office, claiming the searches were illegal.

Although Judge Melville ruled against the defense motions, Mr. Jackson's lawyers have made gains. The motions allowed them to put Mr. Sneddon and the prosecution's key witnesses on the stand to give testimony that can be used later in the case. In the process, defense lawyers educated the judge about the case and presented their client's side of the story to the public and potential jurors through intense media coverage.

New details about the case also came out Thursday.

Mr. Mesereau told the court that the accuser's DNA was not found on Mr. Jackson's mattress seized during the Neverland raid. If the forensic tests had been positive, prosecutors would have had a physical link to the allegations.

It was also revealed that Mr. Sneddon had traveled to Australia in search of other alleged victims of Mr. Jackson and that an alleged victim from the 1993 case had been interviewed in 1999 by a sheriff's detective.

Mr. Mesereau also said that the accuser's mother deposited her welfare checks into the account of her husband -- who makes more than $80,000 per year. He was attempting to show that prosecutors had failed to look into her background and question her credibility.

Mr. Mesereau indicated that he plans to call Mr. Sneddon as a witness at trial because the prosecutor questioned the accuser's mother in Los Angeles without an investigator present.


Mr. Zonen shot down the defense allegation that Mr. Sneddon crossed the line that day by acting as an investigator. He said Mr. Sneddon had planned to be in the Los Angeles area anyway and characterized the trip as a 20-minute "errand."

Source: http://news.newspress.com/topsports/110504jackson.htm

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Post by dangerous » Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:47 am

Sneddon to remain on Jackson case
By Quintin Cushner/Staff Writer

The case continues today, as both sides argue over timely sharing of evidence and the admissibility of documents seized from the home of Jackson's personal assistant. A defense request to reduce Jackson's $3 million bail was withdrawn Thursday, but Mesereau reserved the right to raise the issue later.
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Post by dangerous » Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:49 am

Mr. Zonen shot down the defense allegation that Mr. Sneddon crossed the line that day by acting as an investigator. He said Mr. Sneddon had planned to be in the Los Angeles area anyway and characterized the trip as a 20-minute "errand."
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LMAO. 20 minute errand that including witness verification, state victim fund checks, and some cds. What an ass, I cant beleive he even had the gall to say that.
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Post by ~Vicky~ » Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:14 pm

Mr. Mesereau told the court that the accuser's DNA was not found on Mr. Jackson's mattress seized during the Neverland raid. If the forensic tests had been positive, prosecutors would have had a physical link to the allegations.

It was also revealed that Mr. Sneddon had traveled to Australia in search of other alleged victims of Mr. Jackson and that an alleged victim from the 1993 case had been interviewed in 1999 by a sheriff's detective.

Mr. Mesereau also said that the accuser's mother deposited her welfare checks into the account of her husband -- who makes more than $80,000 per year. He was attempting to show that prosecutors had failed to look into her background and question her credibility.

Mr. Mesereau indicated that he plans to call Mr. Sneddon as a witness at trial because the prosecutor questioned the accuser's mother in Los Angeles without an investigator present.

Just the fact that Sneddon traveled all that way should tell you something. That judge has a dick for a brain.

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Post by A.Beautiful.Mind » Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:00 pm

I wasn't entirely surprised with the ruling which the judge made in response to removing sneddon from this case. The judge is corrupt. NOT once has the judge ever ruled in favour of the defense team. It can't be that the motions which the defense team are producing to put forward to the Judge are inadmissible, as there has been so many. If the Judge can't see that Sneddon is blinded by his own zeal, then he musn't have a complete understanding of this litigation. I belive for Michael to recieve a fair-trial, we must make it possible to turn over the Judges role in this case. If we can reach this goal, then it may be attainable to also abloish Sneddon from this case. We must continue to fight this case with all our strengh. Our strength will nourish Michael, therfore he will have the durability to continue to fight.

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