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Post by mixahl » Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:07 pm

Originally posted by whisper
Well damn, I wasn't expecting an objective report from Greta's (Fox news) panel tonight, but I got one. They brought up some great points about the settlement and about people around him--who was making money off of him--to settle the cases rather than fight so that he could continue to make millions of dollars for those "advisors". I was suprised.

The panel was Jayne Weintraub, Stan Goldman, Jim Hammer (who tried to act a damn fool, but he was put in his place quick).

can someone possibly find a transcript..?

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Post by Purdy Young Thang » Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:26 am

DUDE!!

*dies laughing at miz' "Jane Doe's" screwup" I knew it. Even my MUM said this lady was crazy before I did. I knew she was evil, but not nutters!!

Good lord, and I thought her "my son shooting me in the foot" thing was stupid. The fact is she has NO LEGITIMATE CASE TO PRESENT. We knew that already, but she can't even make herself look good- she KNOWS this is all crap, she knows she's in hot water, so she just looks stupid. I can't believe I was actually a bit worried at one point for Michael... lawd, no wonder he looks so confident and happy. He's loving the fact that the only fact this crackpot has against him is that she's a stinkin liar, and not a good one, either. And the most obvious way to tell if someone's lying is if they're NOT staring them in the face, when she didn't even look at Michael once. She can't stand his piercing eyes of honesty.

I bet we ALL feel alot more comfortable now. *cackle* WHAT A CRACKPOT!!!! I'm laughing at her so hard right now!

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Post by Cristine87 » Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:37 am

You know I'm curious! Where's Gavin? Did they hide him away somewhere? I sort of feel sorry for that kid. The funny part is, his mother is more the accuser than he is!

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Post by floacist » Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:34 am

I used to feel sorry for the devil's offspring but not anymore, when you are like 13 or 14 (I cant exactly remember his age) you know the difference between right and wrong and can speak out regardless of your crack head whore of a mother.

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Post by Tiger Lilly » Sat Sep 18, 2004 8:15 am

Originally posted by floacist
I used to feel sorry for the devil's offspring but not anymore, when you are like 13 or 14 (I cant exactly remember his age) you know the difference between right and wrong and can speak out regardless of your crack head whore of a mother.
Exactly, and from what we've heard regarding Chris Tucker and shooting "mommy dearest" he's hardly a naive, sweet-angel kinda kid either. The pity I had for him is loooong gone.

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Post by Labomba » Sat Sep 18, 2004 8:53 am

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Post by dangerous » Sat Sep 18, 2004 1:42 pm

Regarding the second settlement, im still trying to wrap my mind around it.

assuming and hoping that the lady is Blanca and her son Jason

ok, so what happend exactly?

- blanca is fired (1991)

- gives deposition for JC investigation saying MJ abused her son (1993)

- gets 20, 000 from Hard Copy for this (1993)
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- Under oath she admits to making this story up (1994)

- 1994 JC settelement

- 1995 :2nav


ok so where in this timeline was her settelement? my guess is where i put those arrow thingys ( :2nav )
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Post by Tiger Lilly » Sat Sep 18, 2004 1:47 pm

Originally posted by dangerous+-->QUOTE (dangerous)ok so where in this timeline was her settelement? my guess is where i put those arrow thingys ( :2nav )[/b]


People on MJJF were working out a timeline for a while last night and this is basically what they've came up with, Ashley:

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The second settlement was Blanca Francia - paid to her in 1993 regarding accusations she claimed to have happened in 1990.

Some media are presenting this as two separate cases - nothing to do with the other.

This is not so. Francia came after Michael AFTER the Chandlers - at the same time as she was selling her false stories to every tabloid she could find. Michael paid her and afterward - she told THE TRUTH to the Grand Jury.

Francia blackmailed Michael during the time he was in re-hab recovering from the addiction he acquired to pain medication.

You don't get much lower than that.

Just about the only thing lower is hiring an attorney to set up a scam claim against somebody before they even meet them.
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Post by dangerous » Sat Sep 18, 2004 1:56 pm

so she went to Hard Copy, got 20,000. Mike pays her to shut up and fu.ck off, then she goes under oath to the grand jury for the JC investigation? so he pays her off DURING the JC investigation? If he paid her after the JC investigation, that would be after she admitted to lying. I dont get it. I totally dont beleive franca's story at all, i think she is dumber then fu-ck, but im just trying to peice this together for my own mental health.
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Post by A.Beautiful.Mind » Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:00 pm

Thanks for posting that gemz... Now I'm getting some understanding of how this all fits together. It makes more sense to me now that I have some kind of suggested time-line

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Post by dangerous » Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:02 pm

^ can u explain it to me, cuz it makes no sense to me.
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Post by Tiger Lilly » Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:03 pm

Originally posted by dangerous
so he pays her off DURING the JC investigation? If he paid her after the JC investigation, that would be after she admitted to lying. I dont get it.
I'm a little confused about that. I know they're saying Michael payed her off while in rehab but I dunno when he was in rehab in relation to the investigation. Was that going on while he was in rehab? I was too little to follow '93. :makesense:

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Post by dangerous » Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:08 pm

mike was in rehab in december- the same time she went on hard copy and gave her deposistion claiming abuse.
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Post by A.Beautiful.Mind » Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:08 pm

^ Now you put it that way Gemz, It makes hardly any sense to me at all now :saywhatsa
We really need someone to make sense out of this whole issue, Without all of the facts, we're pritty much just speculating aren't we?

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Post by Tiger Lilly » Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:16 pm

Originally posted by dangerous
mike was in rehab in december- the same time she went on hard copy and gave her deposistion claiming abuse.

Thanks Ashley, that was confusing me cos I didn't know the dates she went to hard copy. :thumbsup

Just been reading more in MJJF and found this helpful:
Okay, here's a possible timeline of what happened with Blanca Francia:

Early 90s: Blanca and several other employees are fired for stealing from Neverland and selling Michael's belongings to tabloids.

Dec. 15, 1993: Blanca gives a deposition for the Chandler's lawsuit; this is the deposition that Dawn Hobbes always brings up whenever she decides to do some jury pool tainting for Sneddon. That same day, Francia repeats her claims on Hard Copy after receiving $20,000. (Also, Hard Copies "The Maid's Painful Secrets was released then)

Late '93/early '94: Under deposition by one of Michael's lawyers, Francia admits that she was paid by Hard Copy for her story and that she lied during the interview.

Jan. 1994: The settlement with the Chandlers is reached. After the Chandlers back out of the criminal case, authorities start interrogating Blanca's son Jason. Blanca says that her son repeatedly denied any wrongdoing on Michael's part and claims that she feels "uncomfortable" with the fact that authorities had questioned her son while she wasn't there. Jim Thomas claims that Jason eventually made accusations against Michael but didn't want to testify because he was too embarassed.

Apr/May 1994: Blanca Francia testifies in front of the grand jury. No charges are brought indicating that her testimony was either not convincing or not damaging.

1995: Blanca threatens to file a sexual abuse lawsuit against Michael. Because a second set of accusations would potentially ruin Michael's album sales (he was either just about to release or had just released HIStory), his advisors tell him to pay her off. Blanca receives $2 million and in turn does not file a civil suit.

1996: Blanca and some other employees sue Michael for wrongful termination. Michael countersues, claiming that they stole from him. Michael wins and the employees have to pay him $60,000. (Karma's a mofo, ain't it?)

1996/1997: Blanca is interviewed by Victor Gutierrez and her claims appear in "Michael Jackson was my Lover."
Victor G's words in 1995 - "Blanca is currently negotiating, through her lawyers, for an out of court settlement potentially worth millions of dollars. Jason is currently 16 years old."
As for the confusion about the dates; I believe the alleged abuse "occurred" in 1990 and the settlement was reached in '95. Some people are questioning why Michael would settle with her in '95 when she already admitted in '94 that she lied during her Hard Copy interview. Well, the Grifters are also on record saying that nothing inappropriate ever happened with Michael and look where we are now. Blanca would have probably claimed that she was forced to make those statements. Furthermore, even if the allegations were later proven false, the publicity would have been awful, especially with HIStory being released that year. So I can understand why the people around Michael wanted him to settle.

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