FBI files Its obvious now that Michael was Innocent

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Post by annelise » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:16 am

[QUOTE=Jeniffer30;230959]It's the same boy on that train! I have seen the vid of this on youtube!

brb! *goes to look for vid on youtube*

I'm back! For anyone interested here is the vid about that

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iccs48dFKug[/video]

I can't believe that you noticed this![/QUOTE]

what do you mean it is the same boy? so Michael knew that kid?? or you mean the person who made the call is the man who accused Michael of molesting his son?

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Post by HeavenSent » Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:21 am

[QUOTE=susanrello;230903]Rodney Allen was focused and obsessed. According to Diane Dimond the alleged victim knew the layout of Hayvenhurst and Neverland. When she showed him pictures of the staff he could identify each one. He was coached by Rodney Allen. It is my opinion that the FBI phone call made by Rodney Allen and an accomplice. That is not to say that MJ did not take a trip to the Grand Canyon in 1992, that information would not have been a secret as reporters covered his every move.[/QUOTE]

Damn, Damn, Damn. :uh_uh:

I'm so sick to death of this. This doesn't even seem like real life. These obsessed people, the Terry George's and the Rodney Allen's...they ALL have Michael's death on their hands as well. Don't mean to sound so dramatic, but no way can they stand there as an innocent bystanders, like they did nothing wrong. If they contributed to his nightmare, then THEY need to held accountable just like all these other slimeballs who surrounded Michael all these decades.
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Post by oldschoolfan » Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:28 am

Frankly all this crap is confusing the hell out of me. I bet there was this big thing going on that nobody knows about.
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Post by susanrello » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:55 am

[QUOTE=Jeniffer30;230959]It's the same boy on that train! I have seen the vid of this on youtube!

brb! *goes to look for vid on youtube*

I'm back! For anyone interested here is the vid about that

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iccs48dFKug[/video]

I can't believe that you noticed this![/QUOTE]


*CLARIFICATION*

I don't believe the boy in the video is the same boy on the train, if there was a boy on a train. What I am saying is, I believe that the phone call to the FBI was made by Rodney Allen and an accomplice. I don't even believe there was a couple on a train, but a story made up by Rodney Allen to get the FBI's attention. This was a guy that was very convincing, and pathological who went to great lengths to create a convincing story as seen in the Diane Dimond scope. I just think it is a BIG coincidence that both stories originated in Toronto. Also the FBI went to the Philippines to interview the Quindoys, they were following a lead. However, the Canadian couple story there is no further mention of a followup, maybe they found out it was bogus. To further show how obsessed Allen was, he was sending letters to Hard Copy for OVER A YEAR since the 1993 story broke. Like I said this is pure speculation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iccs48dFKug

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Post by OneMoreChance » Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:26 pm

[QUOTE=susanrello;230985]*CLARIFICATION*

I don't believe the boy in the video is the same boy on the train, if there was a boy on a train. What I am saying is, I believe that the phone call to the FBI was made by Rodney Allen and an accomplice. I don't even believe there was a couple on a train, but a story made up by Rodney Allen to get the FBI's attention. This was a guy that was very convincing, and pathological who went to great lengths to create a convincing story as seen in the Diane Dimond scope. I just think it is a BIG coincidence that both stories originated in Toronto. Also the FBI went to the Philippines to interview the Quindoys, they were following a lead. However, the Canadian couple story there is no further mention of a followup, maybe they found out it was bogus. To further show how obsessed Allen was, he was sending letters to Hard Copy for OVER A YEAR since the 1993 story broke. Like I said this is pure speculation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iccs48dFKug[/QUOTE]

I see what you're saying....I don't like it though. :uh_uh: This all makes me very upset. What is that matter with all these people? Do they have no souls? The thought of ruining another persons life like that makes me queasy! I mean I would LOVE a ton of moey like that, but I would rather win the Lotto or something like that. It saddens me to see the lengths that people will go for money or power.

I'm starting to lean more towards the conspiracy theory again. It seems more and more like there were a lot of people involved in the things that happened to Michael. Is anyone else starting to see this?
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Post by Cristine87 » Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:58 pm

[QUOTE=Jeniffer30;230992]I see what you're saying....I don't like it though. :uh_uh: This all makes me very upset. What is that matter with all these people? Do they have no souls? The thought of ruining another persons life like that makes me queasy! I mean I would LOVE a ton of moey like that, but I would rather win the Lotto or something like that. It saddens me to see the lengths that people will go for money or power.

I'm starting to lean more towards the conspiracy theory again. It seems more and more like there were a lot of people involved in the things that happened to Michael. Is anyone else starting to see this?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I definitely agree with you! WTF is all this?

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Post by MJJLEGACY58 » Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:23 am

[QUOTE=annelise;230979]what do you mean it is the same boy? so Michael knew that kid?? or you mean the person who made the call is the man who accused Michael of molesting his son?[/QUOTE]

NO!:oops: That whole inside edition story has nothing to do with the train station B.S the person was just saying that they thought their could be a connection because it was a person from Canada too!


let's not make it bigger and then what it already was by confusing the situation with speculations! The FBI papers are pretty clear they found NOTHING: CASE CLOSED!

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Post by oldschoolfan » Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:20 am

As I said before I personally do not think the files PROVE anything, but there is nothing in there that shows Michael is guilty at all, although the media may say otherwise. I do not mean that Michael is guilty, but there has never been anything to show that it was all a big set up other than a lack of evidence, so we cannot say 'oh yes it PROVES Michael's innocence, it's all there, it says these people lied, it says what really happened, the file clearly states that it was all a big set up and tells the real side of the story'. We just can't say that. But yes, the file does show that all they really had was a bunch of people making claims and no actual evidence.
Don't make the mistake of confusing lack of evidence as proof of innocence because if it were that simple then haters can just as easily claim that speculation proves guilt.

I know I'm sounding like I must be thinking otherwise against Michael, that's not the case at all and I would not try and stand up for him if I thought he was guilty. But I personally cannot look at this situation with anything but an unbiased view, and I cannot make any matter of fact presumptions on the case, I can only believe the facts I have seen.
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Post by shelly » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:13 am

First of all I would like to say hello to everyone here. I am a new member.


"Don't make the mistake of confusing lack of evidence as proof of innocence because if it were that simple then haters can just as easily claim that speculation proves guilt."

I understand what you said but I don't really agree with that. I think in a story like that you can't prove innocence (he spend time with the accusers) but you can prove guilt (DNA, others accusers, child porn on computer or video, etc...)
There was only one other accuser (I don't believe Dimond or Orth because, they would have use the name of the kids in 2005. Why used Culkin, Barnes, Robson, if you have others people who said they were molested? By the way why not call Dimond and Orth to the stand if they really knew something) whose testimony was not credible according to the jurors.

The books they found were all legals and can be bought on Amazon. Anyone can have them and one of them was in the Library of Congress.

The testimonies of ex employees were destroyed on stand and the FBI investigated him for years and found nothing.
There was speculation in the media, because the interviews were paid and because of the ratings, nothing more.
The settlement was made by an insurance according to a court document and didn't prevent the Chandlers from testifying against him.

The whole thing create a lot of reasonable doubts for a person with half a brain and someone who really believe in the Innocent until proven guilty and who doesn't want to call someone a pedophile just because they don't understand their lifestyle. You don't have to be a fan for that.

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Post by oldschoolfan » Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:46 am

My point of that statement is in regards to people who are very point blank about the case. A lot of people will say 'he is a KNOWN paedophile', 'he IS a paedophile', others will say very matter of fact he is NOT a paedophile, that they KNOW he is not. Do you? Has that been PROVEN in either sense? Not necessarily. What I am saying is people need to be careful of being so matter of fact as though they know the truth, unless we were there, unless we were involved, nobody can be so straight about the answer. I think (in either sense of innocence or guilt) that people can say 'I believe this is the case' but we cannot say 'I know this is the case'.
I do not believe Michael is guilty at all, I followed the trial, I have read all the FBI files, I have read books on both sides of the argument, and I have spent forever pondering the facts of what I do know, and I personally can say I do not believe Michael did anything at all, not for a second. But I will not be matter of fact about feeling that way and say I know he did nothing, because I have never met Michael, I have never met the acusers, I have never been to Michael's home and witnessed anything. The only people who KNOW the truth are Michael and the accusers, all everyone else can do is speculate.
It just bugs me when people talk about it like they know for sure, you can believe for sure but you can't know for sure until it is PROVEN.
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Post by shelly » Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:26 am

"The only people who KNOW the truth are Michael and the accusers, all everyone else can do is speculate.
It just bugs me when people talk about it like they know for sure, you can believe for sure but you can't know for sure until it is PROVEN."

I agree with you on that and I am not 100% he was not guilty, but I think the fact he cleared of all charges in 2005 and the FBI files should be enough for people who think he was guilty (not haters, I mean normal people) to reconsider what they read or saw on TV. There are enough officials information on Internet to know the media where lying in 2005. If they were lying in 2005, they were probably lying in 1993.
I wonder why Orth and Dimond keep saying there were others payoffs that we don't know. The FBI investigated claims from tabloids at the time the articles were written (in Orth article in January 1994, she spoke about a 3rd accusers who is not Francia), so if they really existed why the FBI didn't interview them at the time.
If they really had others name, why the prosecution used who denied the allegations?

I totally agree with what you said, but I think there is more and more evidence that he was not guilty.

By the way, yesterday I read that. Tell me what do you think about the September 1993 story from June Chandler in 2005:

http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/402340/

It's in the middle of the page.

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Post by shelly » Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:46 am

[QUOTE=oldschoolfan;230975]Are you serious? I though Joy was nice! At least whenever I've seen her on the View she was 'innocent until proven guilty' with her attitude, I even saw her say 'now I'm starting understand why he always covered his childrens faces' (in regards to the way the media has been hunting them down). That blonde chick on the View was the one who I always thought had the most 'well why didn't he stop hanging out with kids the first time'.

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There is a video on Mjeol where you can see Joy calling him a pedophile in December 2005

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Post by shelly » Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:48 am

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Originally Posted by oldschoolfan
Are you serious? I though Joy was nice! At least whenever I've seen her on the View she was 'innocent until proven guilty' with her attitude, I even saw her say 'now I'm starting understand why he always covered his childrens faces' (in regards to the way the media has been hunting them down). That blonde chick on the View was the one who I always thought had the most 'well why didn't he stop hanging out with kids the first time'.



There is a video on Mjeol where you can see Joy calling him a pedophile in December 2005

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Post by oldschoolfan » Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:50 am

There is definitely more and more evidence that he is not guilty for sure, it is becoming quite apparent that there is just nothing against him, there is no DNA evidence, not child porn, no convictions, nothing at all but what people have claimed. There is a huge deal more evidence that shows his innocence than there is that shows his guilt. But as I said, my sole point is that people should not make matter of fact statements that they know for a fact either way what the truth is.
In regards to the fact being acquitted should make the doubters think he's innocent, these people are going to need the PROOF. Many doubters will argue that in court 'not guilty' doesn't show someone to be innocent, it just means there was no substantial evidence to prove anything. And I guess that it true. These people will only believe Michael's innocence (if they ever believe it) once someone confesses the truth, if someone literally debunked the whole case and proved that the whole thing was a set up. There are people out there who literally want Michael to be guilty, people think it's a joke. I went on Facebook this morning and someone had made a joke about Michael being a child abuser and I didn't bother to argue, I just said 'nice to see you think child abuse is funny'. He said it was only dirty if my mind created it that way. What the hell does that mean? The joke clearly made reference to child abuse. There are people who will always think it's a joke, and wether he was found innocent or not will always make fun of it. Being cleared of the charges will not stop people from being nasty, there would need to be something major that the media can't lie about or hide such as a confession from an accuser.
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Post by shelly » Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:09 pm

"These people will only believe Michael's innocence (if they ever believe it) once someone confesses the truth"

If the accusers say nothing happen, the haters will say there were paid by the Jackson's family.

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