FBI files Its obvious now that Michael was Innocent

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Post by oldschoolfan » Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:18 pm

[QUOTE=shelly;231103]There is a video on Mjeol where you can see Joy calling him a pedophile in December 2005[/QUOTE]

Ugh, I SO don't want to watch it, it gets me so infuriated seeing people say these things. I have lost so much respect for her. But that doesn't matter, as long as Whoopi is around. I love Whoopi. :wub:

As for the Chandlers... I have read Michael Jackson Was My Lover, it was written by an investigative reporter and I think Evan may have been involved. Well it is basically the entire story about what apparently happened in Michael and Jordans 'relationship'. They got Michael's birthday wrong for starters-1959?! It also made absolutely no reference as to why the Chandlers decided to take the money. It said when Michael made HIStory that Jordan thought it was filled with hidden messages to him, that TDCAU was in regards to their relationship, and from what I remember it said that YANA was actually the name of a porn movie they watched together, dispite the fact it was actually R.Kelly who wrote that song not Michael. It also said that Jordans description of Michael was correct, and it claimed that Michael abused animals that he owned such as throwing firecrackers in with a lion to scare it, and training the chimpanzees to masturbate when he grabbed his crotch. Seriously, I'm laughing as I'm writing this, it's just so stupid. And it had so many conversations that occured, word for word convos. If there was ALL that evidence, take him to court don't write a f***ing book about it.
They can't even find ONE victim or witness who doesn't have a posible motive, doesn't have a suspicious background, who doesn't have a posible grudge, who doesn't have a story that completely backfires when questioned...
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Post by oldschoolfan » Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:34 pm

[QUOTE=shelly;231106]"These people will only believe Michael's innocence (if they ever believe it) once someone confesses the truth"

If the accusers say nothing happen, the haters will say there were paid by the Jackson's family.[/QUOTE]

There will ALWAYS be people who will hate Michael and want him to be guilty. The majority of people who think Michael is guilty think so based on the 'pay-off' to the Chandlers, the trial, and the twisted one sidedness of the media. Most of those people would believe Michael's innocence if there were a confession. They may not like him but they'd see the truth. A minority of people will think it's all a big set up and perhaps yesm think they were paid to come out. Those people are f**k heads, and if they thought that, it would be based soley on presumption. Unless there was proof or evidence of the confessors getting money for confessing then I'd understand people's suspicions, but if there is nothing then the whole thing would just be a consipracy materialised from thin air. I personally wouldn't care at all for those people, there are some nut jobs out there.
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Post by shelly » Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:40 pm

"The majority of people who think Michael is guilty think so based on the 'pay-off' to the Chandlers, the trial, and the twisted one sidedness of the media."

For the pay-off, there is that court document which said the settlement was made by an insurance company and the actual document is on Internet. Everybody knows that the Chandler could still testify against him in the criminal trial. I don't understand why some people who read that are still haters. They should at least say they don't know the story.

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Post by oldschoolfan » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:51 pm

I think people who dislike Michael and who think he's guilty look at everything with a very narrow mind. I personally try and look at the entire allegations without biase, a lot of people I guess don't like to hear it when I say things that sound as though I'm doubting/questioning him because as fans we are hear to defend him. But I try to look at it in a way that isn't one sided, as I said I cannot say I KNOW he is innocent and nor can anyone else. The reason I try to look at it all with that view is because I believe the haters do look at it in a very one sided way, and I think that is stupid of them. But for me to then turn around and in return be matter of fact with my views would be hypocritical. So I try to look at it with an open mindedness that yes, I do not know the truth of EVERYTHING for a fact. I was not there. The only people who know every detail of what happened are Michael and the victims. But I will look at the factual evidence and have my personal beliefs. And there is a hell of a lot of evidence that makes the entire thing look like the biggest God damn set up to destroy Michael for people's own gain.

The haters don't do that. They look at the pay off and say 'well if Michael is so innocent why did he pay them money?'. Well if Michael is so guilty why did they take it? If Michael is so guilty why did they not take him to court? If Michael is so guilty why did Jordan not testify against Michael? If Michael is so guilty why did Junes statment contradict Jordans? They could have had their cake and eaten it too. They could have taken him to court and had him locked up, then sued him $20 million in psychological damages. They could have had him locked up and then earned $20 million in the fame, book deals, interviews, tv apperances. Jordan and Evan could have testified against Michael in the trial and kept the $20 million they recieved. But no, they took the money and disppeared into thin air, let an apparent paedophile get away with abuse which subsiquently resulted in another person being abused, and even then they aren't willing to testify. And THEN Evan tries to sue Michael $60 million, three times the amount of the original pay off. And that was in court for 2 years. So he was willing to spend 2 years in court to get a **** load of money out of Michael, but he has not appeared in court ONCE for the fact his own son was abused. And there are books written or endorced by members of the Chandler family. If you want Michael to look guilty, if you want the world to see he is a child molester, if you are that disgusted with what Michael did, that he ruined a childs life, TAKE HIM TO COURT! Don't write a God damn book about it! Or take him to court and THEN write a book about him! And then he goes and blows his brains when Michael dies.

The haters NEVER look into all that. They are idiots, they are one sided, narrow minded, biased, spiteful idiots. Look at the bigger picture. Look at the DNA evidence and child pornography and video footage and credible witnesses that were NOT found. Look at the house raids and the accusations and the ludacris testomonies that came up with literally nothing. Surely in the 30 years of child molesting he would have slipped up somewhere. Surely the most famous person on the planet who is in the public eye more than anyone would have been caught somewhere. Surely there is one witness who doesn't have a suspect motive, wether it's revenge, spite, fame or financial gain. Look at the fact 2 of the jurors signed book deals BEFORE a verdict had even been reached. Look at the fact Bob Jones coincidentally released his unbelievably biased book DURING the trail and handed out free copies to the media. Look at the fact psychologists working on the prosecution were PAID to give evidence. Look at the fact the victims admitted to lying in certain parts of their statements, look at the fact the things they said completely contradicted each other. Look at the fact every employee that testified against Michael were FORMER employees. Look at the fact the friends who testified against Michael were FORMER friends.

The haters will never look at any of that, they will never go looking for documents that show Michael's innocence or reading transcripts. All they want is to look at the small picture and make their presumption soley based on that. They don't want the hard work of doing research, because God forbid, the evidence they find may contradict their original views.

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Post by shelly » Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:40 pm

"They could have taken him to court and had him locked up, then sued him $20 million in psychological damages. They could have had him locked up and then earned $20 million in the fame, book deals, interviews, tv apperances."

To be honest, I think it's probably very difficult when someone like Michael Jackson is involved because of the media and some very crazy fans. Geraldine Hugues said herself in her book they had threats from fans. It's possible they were scarred of that.

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Post by crazychick!!! » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:06 pm

[QUOTE=shelly;231116]To be honest, I think it's probably very difficult when someone like Michael Jackson is involved because of the media and some very crazy fans. Geraldine Hugues said herself in her book they had threats from fans. It's possible they were scarred of that.[/QUOTE]

They weren't scared enough to not sue him again now were they! And since Evan Chandler wanted to compose a musical composition about the rape of his child called "EVANStory," I don't think he was too afraid of threats.

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Post by shelly » Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:24 am

I totally agree with you on Evan but for the kid, it could be hard. We should not forget Ray Chandler who was a lot of times on TV speaking about what happened to his nephew. What a family!

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Post by danaluvsmj » Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:38 pm

Makes me mad they chose to release this now. Why didn't they do this when he was still here? It's a bit too late.
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Post by shelly » Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:40 pm

I don't think they have the right to publicly release files of someone who is alive.

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Post by pauline86 » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:00 pm

before that bashir documentary, nobody was calling michael a pedophile. If only we can turn back the hands of time
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Post by HeavenSent » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:04 pm

[QUOTE=shelly;231161]I don't think they have the right to publicly release files of someone who is alive.[/QUOTE]

You're right. Or doesn't the person in focus have to request them personally?
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Post by LittleSusie50 » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:15 pm

I saw Jermaine on TMZ saying he was pissed off because the FBI should have said this when he was alive. I agree. I dunno what the proper protocol is for releasing files, but then again I don't care. Its still too late.
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Post by oldschoolfan » Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:09 am

[QUOTE=shelly;231144]I totally agree with you on Evan but for the kid, it could be hard.[/QUOTE]
This is something I have argued myself actually, I am mad at whoever intentionally sought to hurt Michael, but I'm willing to let off Jordan (to a point) if he was manupulated unwillingly to say Michael hurt him. A lot of people will argue that Jordan is an adult now and he should have the guts to come forward which is true, but at the same time, perhaps Jordan WANTS to come forward but is fearful of what will happen, people will attack him and hunt him down for destroying Michael. It's cowardly yes, but at the same time understandible. If we were more forgiving and gave him a chance maybe he's get the courage to come out and say the truth. It's hard to control your hatred towards someone when they have been involved in ruining someones life, but then, has Michael taught us nothing about forgivness? Patience is a virtue...
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Post by shelly » Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:36 am

"If we were more forgiving and gave him a chance maybe he's get the courage to come out and say the truth."

I don't want to start a fight here and I do believe MJ was not guilty but we are not 100% sure. Maybe the truth is totally different from what we think it is. We should not forget, it's still a possibility since nothing was ever proven in that case.

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Post by shelly » Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:39 am

[QUOTE=pauline86;231174]before that bashir documentary, nobody was calling michael a pedophile. If only we can turn back the hands of time[/QUOTE]

Sorry he was called a pedophile since 1993.

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