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Post by privacy » Sun Jul 04, 2010 5:38 am

This ho's still alive? Psh. She wastes too much space.

As usual, who cares what she thinks? Other than being a complete d.ck, does she have any effect on the Jackson family? No. Move along.
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Post by Saphster » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:28 pm

[quote name="oldschoolfan"]Diane Diamond can kiss my fat cellulite ass. ''I think the kids deserve to know their true lineage.'' Excuse me? And who the hell are you to decide what someone does and doesn't tell their children? Michael's children don't HAVE to know anything about it. What if Michael genuinely couldn't have children and decided to get a donor? Does that make him a BAD parent? What if he didn't want his kids to know because, oh I don't know, it doesn't matter? I knew someone that was adopted a few years ago, he didn't even know. Is that anyone's business to decide whether or not he is told the truth? No.[/quote]
You and I are always on the same page. You just said everything I was thinking. Who the HELL does she think she is to say what Michael Jackson children have a right to know or not to know. They aren't even her kids. They are not her concern at all. She's just another tabloid using the whole 'children' thing as an excuse.

Deep down inside I think people want to believe that they are truly biologically his children. That's why this is such a big deal to so many people, even the media. I guess they feel as though it would prove his 'manliness' and prove that he was capable of producing children with a woman. There is also the thing where alot of people think he hated his race and didn't want to be black and people wanna be sure that his kids were produced from his sperm and not of a white man. I could be wrong though. Maybe some people just like to start mess and pick on Michael for being the greatest entertainer ever.

IS THIS pic for real?? ----> http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainme ... 701_mn.jpg

Shocked the hell out of me. It looks kinda...fake. Looks photoshopped to me....but it might not be. It just might be real. It pains me to think that he could possibly have Vitiligo and worries me that he is out in the sun IF he does have it. Some fans use that as so called 'proof' that Prince is Michael's biological son but it makes me sad if it is Vitiligo.

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Post by OneMoreChance » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:46 pm

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[quote name="oldschoolfan"]Diane Diamond can kiss my fat cellulite ass. ''I think the kids deserve to know their true lineage.'' Excuse me? And who the hell are you to decide what someone does and doesn't tell their children? Michael's children don't HAVE to know anything about it. What if Michael genuinely couldn't have children and decided to get a donor? Does that make him a BAD parent? What if he didn't want his kids to know because, oh I don't know, it doesn't matter? I knew someone that was adopted a few years ago, he didn't even know. Is that anyone's business to decide whether or not he is told the truth? No.[/quote]
You and I are always on the same page. You just said everything I was thinking. Who the HELL does she think she is to say what Michael Jackson children have a right to know or not to know. They aren't even her kids. They are not her concern at all. She's just another tabloid using the whole 'children' thing as an excuse.

Deep down inside I think people want to believe that they are truly biologically his children. That's why this is such a big deal to so many people, even the media. I guess they feel as though it would prove his 'manliness' and prove that he was capable of producing children with a woman. There is also the thing where alot of people think he hated his race and didn't want to be black and people wanna be sure that his kids were produced from his sperm and not of a white man. I could be wrong though. Maybe some people just like to start mess and pick on Michael for being the greatest entertainer ever.

IS THIS pic for real?? ----> http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainme ... 701_mn.jpg

Shocked the hell out of me. It looks kinda...fake. Looks photoshopped to me....but it might not be. It just might be real. It pains me to think that he could possibly have Vitiligo and worries me that he is out in the sun IF he does have it. Some fans use that as so called 'proof' that Prince is Michael's biological son but it makes me sad if it is Vitiligo.

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I'm pretty sure it a real pic. The armpit is one of the places that it first starts. It's where my daughter's started. He's ok to be out in the sun as long as he has a good sunblock on. it's the depigmented skin that is so sensitive to the sun. It has no protection. Michael's vitiligo was so extensive that he couldn't risk too much sun exposure.
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Post by Saphster » Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:16 pm

I just DON'T understand how any woman didn't (or didn't want to like in Lisa's case) have a child with Michael...the natural way. It didn't seem like Michael and Debbie's relationship was ever sexual but why did he never have a child with anyone else? He had girlfriends. I'm supposed to think that he was incapable of producing children? It just upsets me how he never found that right person to have a child with.

Debbie doesn't count in my book. Sorry. If there was love in that relationship it was either unrequitted or not exactly mutual. I don't think Michael was ever in love with Debbie. Women just don't go around and say to men who want children 'hey i'll have your baby for you.' That's love. Saddens me how that relationship wasn't what it seemed to be at first. And it angers me how he had children...through other methods. Not saying that HE SHOULD not have done it the way he did. I know he loved all of his children but it just upsets me how it had to be done that way. I can see if that was the last and only option but he was definitely capable and he had his girlfriends or lovers or whatnot. Maybe they never wanted to have children with him? Maybe he wanted to marry first and then have children?

I just can't believe the whole 'no woman would ever have sex with michael jackson' crap. If Debbie was willing I bet his girlfriends or past lovers were willing as well. Plus thousands of other women as well....
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Post by Cristine87 » Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:48 pm

[quote name="Saphster"]I just DON'T understand how any woman didn't (or didn't want to like in Lisa's case) have a child with Michael...the natural way. It didn't seem like Michael and Debbie's relationship was ever sexual but why did he never have a child with anyone else? He had girlfriends. I'm supposed to think that he was incapable of producing children? It just upsets me how he never found that right person to have a child with.

Debbie doesn't count in my book. Sorry. If there was love in that relationship it was either unrequitted or not exactly mutual. I don't think Michael was ever in love with Debbie. Women just don't go around and say to men who want children 'hey i'll have your baby for you.' That's love. Saddens me how that relationship wasn't what it seemed to be at first. And it angers me how he had children...through other methods. Not saying that HE SHOULD not have done it the way he did. I know he loved all of his children but it just upsets me how it had to be done that way. I can see if that was the last and only option but he was definitely capable and he had his girlfriends or lovers or whatnot. Maybe they never wanted to have children with him? Maybe he wanted to marry first and then have children?

I just can't believe the whole 'no woman would ever have sex with michael jackson' crap. If Debbie was willing I bet his girlfriends or past lovers were willing as well. Plus thousands of other women as well....[/quote]

I wonder about that myself. My only guess is he eventually wanted children but was too caught up in his career to have them and then he met Lisa Marie and decided he wanted them with her since he felt she could relate to him but that didn't work out and then he found himself divorced and still wanting children, so I think he had them with Debbie out of desperation. I mean he was already in his late 30's, it's either now or never. I think it was all circumstances.

Many career women go through the same thing. They devote themselves to there careers for so long and then they find themselves pushing forty and the biological clock is ticking, so if there's no special guy around, they hit up the sperm bank. I think that's what happened here. I'm sure Michael had his females but he probably didn't find anyone that interested him enough to want to have children with.

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Post by Saphster » Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:30 pm

Look what I found...

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Post by Saphster » Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:37 pm

Why do comments like these exist?

"Those are NOT HIS BIO KIDS. Prince looks too much like Arnie Klein for it to be a coincidence. Prince and Paris are white children with a tan. Blanket is Latino. Even Michael lawyer gave an interview and said the children were white and Latino. He did not want to have dark skin children with kinky hair, so he went a bought those three. He was obviously gay. Straight men do not do this. "

Some people are so stupid. Not all biracial children look or come out the same. Just look at Quincy Jones kids. If I didn't know he was their daddy I would have never guessed his daughters were mixed.

Rashida Jones. Quincy Jones' daughter. Is her hair so called 'kinky'? I hate that word.
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Post by Teva » Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:31 pm

It can go in the opposite direction. Have any of you seen Heidi Klum & Seal's little girl? She does not look like her mother, and she does not look mix.
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Post by Teva » Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:25 pm

@Saphster
Yes the picture is real. It was taken by the paps when the kids were in Hawaii. After the picture was taken it went viral around the internet. Everyone was weighing in on it including the mainstream media. Some of their comments were laughable, like the kid has vitiligo so that may indicated that Michael had it as well and was not lying. They completely and purposely ignored the autopsy results that definitively stated his skin condition.

I think fans want to believe the children are his because Michael said they were. I don’t think any of the fans question his masculinity, certainly not after viewing the gold pants pics. Also his autopsy results said he had the normal genitalia of an adult male, and was actively producing sperm; therefore, he was quite capable of fathering children.

This is just my opinion of what happen with the children. I think Michael was quite prepared to put off having children for a few more years, in the Oprah interview (feb 1993) he said he wanted to have a family, but was too career driven for one at the moment, but in May of the same year the bottom fell out, and priorities were re-evaluated. After the storm had passed MJ quickly married LMP and wanted to immediately start a family. With all that had taken place I think he realized just how fragile his career was, and everything he worked hard for his entire life could be gone, just like that. I think in his mind his children would provide something more sustaining, and L.O.V.E he could give, and received without strings attached. When LMP didn’t want to have his children Debbie Rowe offered and …… well we’ll leave it at that. For Michael a child is a child, they are all the same whether they’re biologically his, or not it made no difference to him. In the end he was right, Sony didn’t promote his last album, he was twice divorced, lost a great deal of his wealth, and after the 2005 trial a lot of radio stations refuse to play his music, and he was a pariah in the US. In the end it was just him and his children.

Ps. On some level I think he knew things were never going to be the same after 1993
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Post by Cristine87 » Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:58 pm

[quote name="Teva"]. In the end it was just him and his children.
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Post by Daffodil-Dreams » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:47 am

[quote name="Teva"]@Saphster
Yes the picture is real. It was taken by the paps when the kids were in Hawaii. After the picture was taken it went viral around the internet. Everyone was weighing in on it including the mainstream media. Some of their comments were laughable, like the kid has vitiligo so that may indicated that Michael had it as well and was not lying. They completely and purposely ignored the autopsy results that definitively stated his skin condition.

I think fans want to believe the children are his because Michael said they were. I don’t think any of the fans question his masculinity, certainly not after viewing the gold pants pics. Also his autopsy results said he had the normal genitalia of an adult male, and was actively producing sperm; therefore, he was quite capable of fathering children.

This is just my opinion of what happen with the children. I think Michael was quite prepared to put off having children for a few more years, in the Oprah interview (feb 1993) he said he wanted to have a family, but was too career driven for one at the moment, but in May of the same year the bottom fell out, and priorities were re-evaluated. After the storm had passed MJ quickly married LMP and wanted to immediately start a family. With all that had taken place I think he realized just how fragile his career was, and everything he worked hard for his entire life could be gone, just like that. I think in his mind his children would provide something more sustaining, and L.O.V.E he could give, and received without strings attached. When LMP didn’t want to have his children Debbie Rowe offered and …… well we’ll leave it at that. For Michael a child is a child, they are all the same whether they’re biologically his, or not it made no difference to him. In the end he was right, Sony didn’t promote his last album, he was twice divorced, lost a great deal of his wealth, and after the 2005 trial a lot of radio stations refuse to play his music, and he was a pariah in the US. In the end it was just him and his children.

Ps. On some level I think he knew things were never going to be the same after 1993[/quote]
I think that might be an accurate account of how he felt. It makes sense to me at least. Even though I did like him with Lisa Marie Presley, I think he was just completely determined to have a family. When Debbie Rowe offered I think that's when he decided or thought if he really wanted children he was going to do it without her. I don't really know if that's how he felt, I'm just making a guess.

I do think all three children are his. I'll be honest and say I even think Omer Bhatti is his son as well. If you at pictures of him and all of them you see a lot of similarities between them in my opinion. This is all just my opinion.

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Post by Saphster » Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:07 pm

I don't like how he had children with Debbie. Just didn't seem right to me. Okay Lisa didn't want to have kids. Of course she was crazy if she didn't want to have kids with Michael (lol) but...was it right the way he did it? He pretty much threatened Lisa by saying if she didn't wanna have his babies he would get Debbie to do it. I would hate my husband if he left me because I didn't feel ready or feel stable in my marriage, and if I didn't wanna have kids, and he wanted to rush into it.

I also understand that he said she did make a promise that as soon as they got married she would give him children. He seemed to hold on to that promise.

But, think about it. I'm sure Michael and Lisa had a lot of problems and issues and things they probably didn't like about each other. Getting married after just supposedly four months of dating is a big no no to me. I got to have at least a year or two to find out everything I can to make sure we can live together in peace and work our issues out.

I'm sort of glad they didn't have children. Even if they had children it would not have held the marriage together. I know..I know...I talk like I knew Michael but that's what I feel in my gut. If a woman does not want to have a child then you can't force her. But you can't just leave her and go get a woman to get prego with your baby while you're still married! It's just not right! And that is the only area that I side with Lisa Marie with. It makes it seem like he never gave a crap about Lisa at all if they divorced because of not having babies issue...I know there were other issues too that caused them to fall apart.

Course...I don't know the whole story.

But personally...I'd be heartbroken and bitter. And maybe that's why Lisa is like that when it would come to the topic of Michael. Even though he never said anything about her...she never kept her true feelings about him in the dark. Even the bad ones. But do people ever wonder why? because Lisa is the bad guy right? really? I'm not saying Michael was the wolf in sheep's clothing but...

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Post by Cristine87 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:58 pm

[quote name="Saphster"]I don't like how he had children with Debbie. Just didn't seem right to me. Okay Lisa didn't want to have kids. Of course she was crazy if she didn't want to have kids with Michael (lol) but...was it right the way he did it? He pretty much threatened Lisa by saying if she didn't wanna have his babies he would get Debbie to do it. I would hate my husband if he left me because I didn't feel ready or feel stable in my marriage, and if I didn't wanna have kids, and he wanted to rush into it.

I also understand that he said she did make a promise that as soon as they got married she would give him children. He seemed to hold on to that promise.

But, think about it. I'm sure Michael and Lisa had a lot of problems and issues and things they probably didn't like about each other. Getting married after just supposedly four months of dating is a big no no to me. I got to have at least a year or two to find out everything I can to make sure we can live together in peace and work our issues out.

I'm sort of glad they didn't have children. Even if they had children it would not have held the marriage together. I know..I know...I talk like I knew Michael but that's what I feel in my gut. If a woman does not want to have a child then you can't force her. But you can't just leave her and go get a woman to get prego with your baby while you're still married! It's just not right! And that is the only area that I side with Lisa Marie with. It makes it seem like he never gave a crap about Lisa at all if they divorced because of not having babies issue...I know there were other issues too that caused them to fall apart.

Course...I don't know the whole story.

But personally...I'd be heartbroken and bitter. And maybe that's why Lisa is like that when it would come to the topic of Michael. Even though he never said anything about her...she never kept her true feelings about him in the dark. Even the bad ones. But do people ever wonder why? because Lisa is the bad guy right? really? I'm not saying Michael was the wolf in sheep's clothing but...

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I don't think it was as cut and dry as she didn't want to have his kids. I think there were other matters there, but if she wasn't getting pregnant when they first got married after promising him it's the first thing they would do, then she must've been using birth control and I wonder if she was completely honest with Michael about that. I just don't understand why she would make a promise like that if deep down she wanted to see how stable the marriage was first. I don't think that Michael just left her because she didn't want kids. I have a feeling that she wasn't completely honest with him about certain things and that's why he didn't want to remain married to her. I mean she flat went on all this media outlets and acted as if she cut all ties with him after the divorce when we all know she still went after him until 1999, so I don't put it past her to omit certain things. It's hard to really judge because we've heard Lisa's side of things but we never heard Michael's.

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Post by Teva » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:47 pm

Like most fans I never cared whether the children were his or not. However, this is really important to a small cross section. One of the reasons might be bloodline continuance. Some of the fans that don't care about their bloodline, also do not believe they're his especially the first two, and it has nothing with believing he wanted to be white so he had white children. Personally I am indifferent, but since we are talking about it, I do not see any physical similarities in the 2 older children to Michael, but I'm not going to say they're not biologically his. I cannot know who fathered a child with just my eyes, that would make me god, and potentially wealthy. The fact that Prince may have vitiligo should also put this issue to rest. Ironically it seems to have done that in the tabloids, but news sites like Fox, and CBS are attributing the white patch to a peeling sun burn, or a birth mark. Hello... who gets a sun burn in that area? Also Prince's baby pics shows no such birth mark. He also has the light patches on his fingers.

I do not believe Omer Bhatti is MJ's secret child because that is exactly what he would be a secret. A secret so deeply buried that Michael did not want his family, or fans to know. A secret that must be kept at all cost that would prevent Omer from refering to Michael as Daddy, or Katherine as Grandma. If Omer were MJ's child I would be bitterly disappointed in Michael, because he left him out of his will. A will he refashioned after the birth of Blanket specifically so that Blanket will be included. Elisabeth Hesselbeck of The View was dicussing wills, and she said herself, and most people update their will after the birth of a child. Furthermore, how could he go to Oxford and talk about his relationship with his father, having a day for children, the rights of a child, all the while having a secret son that he never publicly acknowledge in any piece of legal document even after death. For what, his image? That to me would be the ultimate hypocrissy.

As for LMP. Saph you are right they got divorce for other reasons than her not wanting to have his babies. However, children played a role in the fallout. According to MJJ as recorded in the Shmuley tapes they clash on the fundamentals were children were concerned. LMP did not like that children would call M at all hours of the day, or that Michael would want to take each call. On one occassion she dismissed a child (I am sure not rudely), but that pissed MJ off. Michael also said that she loved her children more than others, and all children deserved the same kind of love. For that I don't fault LMP, I would love my children more too, but this is Michael we are talking about, he never met a child he didn't love. Another major argument occurred over 2 - 10yr old kids that had murdered a 2 year old boy in England. Michael wanted to fly to London, and talk to them to find out what went wrong in their lives that would make them want to commit such an heinous act. LMP got upset and told him his going to hold counsel with them would be like rewarding their bad behaviour. Michael did not see it that way, he told Rabbi Shmuley that if he had those children to raise they would never think about doing such things. In the book there is a whole chapter dedicated to LMP. All in All he never said anything bad about her.
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Post by Daffodil-Dreams » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:51 pm

I don't like how he had children with Debbie. Just didn't seem right to me. Okay Lisa didn't want to have kids. Of course she was crazy if she didn't want to have kids with Michael (lol) but...was it right the way he did it? He pretty much threatened Lisa by saying if she didn't wanna have his babies he would get Debbie to do it. I would hate my husband if he left me because I didn't feel ready or feel stable in my marriage, and if I didn't wanna have kids, and he wanted to rush into it.

I also understand that he said she did make a promise that as soon as they got married she would give him children. He seemed to hold on to that promise.

But, think about it. I'm sure Michael and Lisa had a lot of problems and issues and things they probably didn't like about each other. Getting married after just supposedly four months of dating is a big no no to me. I got to have at least a year or two to find out everything I can to make sure we can live together in peace and work our issues out.

I'm sort of glad they didn't have children. Even if they had children it would not have held the marriage together. I know..I know...I talk like I knew Michael but that's what I feel in my gut. If a woman does not want to have a child then you can't force her. But you can't just leave her and go get a woman to get prego with your baby while you're still married! It's just not right! And that is the only area that I side with Lisa Marie with. It makes it seem like he never gave a crap about Lisa at all if they divorced because of not having babies issue...I know there were other issues too that caused them to fall apart.

Course...I don't know the whole story.

But personally...I'd be heartbroken and bitter. And maybe that's why Lisa is like that when it would come to the topic of Michael. Even though he never said anything about her...she never kept her true feelings about him in the dark. Even the bad ones. But do people ever wonder why? because Lisa is the bad guy right? really? I'm not saying Michael was the wolf in sheep's clothing but...

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I agree with this. I really do. :biggrin

Like most fans I never cared whether the children were his or not. However, this is really important to a small cross section. One of the reasons might be bloodline continuance. Some of the fans that don't care about their bloodline, also do not believe they're his especially the first two, and it has nothing with believing he wanted to be white so he had white children. Personally I am indifferent, but since we are talking about it, I do not see any physical similarities in the 2 older children to Michael, but I'm not going to say they're not biologically his. I cannot know who fathered a child with just my eyes, that would make me god, and potentially wealthy. The fact that Prince may have vitiligo should also put this issue to rest. Ironically it seems to have done that in the tabloids, but news sites like Fox, and CBS are attributing the white patch to a peeling sun burn, or a birth mark. Hello... who gets a sun burn in that area? Also Prince's baby pics shows no such birth mark. He also has the light patches on his fingers.
I agree. I can't automatically say without a doubt they are his children, becaue I don't know that. I will agree with that. However, I still stick by my statement of noticing similarites. I do agree that blood really doesn't matter, and what matter was that he loved them. I'm just saying, from my personal perspective, I think they are his.
I do not believe Omer Bhatti is MJ's secret child because that is exactly what he would be a secret. A secret so deeply buried that Michael did not want his family, or fans to know. A secret that must be kept at all cost that would prevent Omer from refering to Michael as Daddy, or Katherine as Grandma. If Omer were MJ's child I would be bitterly disappointed in Michael, because he left him out of his will. A will he refashioned after the birth of Blanket specifically so that Blanket will be included. Elisabeth Hesselbeck of The View was dicussing wills, and she said herself, and most people update their will after the birth of a child. Furthermore, how could he go to Oxford and talk about his relationship with his father, having a day for children, the rights of a child, all the while having a secret son that he never publicly acknowledge in any piece of legal document even after death. For what, his image? That to me would be the ultimate hypocrissy.
While, yes, I do agree that it would be quite sad for him to be left out of his will, and he is his child. However, I can't and I'm not going to pretend like I know Michael Jackson, because I don't. I'm not saying you are or you did. I'm just not going to automatically dismiss something wrong he did because he is Michael Jackson. That wouldn't be fair in my opinion. He was human just like everyone else. Again, visually, I notice similarities between Omer Bhatti and Michael Jackson. I also see similarities in him and Blanket Jackson. Now if he is in fact his son, I know I can't give a reason for him not saying so. Maybe he was afraid of what it would do to his image, maybe some views were still placed with him that he had gotten from childhood; I don't know. This all is of course if he is in fact his son.
As for LMP. Saph you are right they got divorce for other reasons than her not wanting to have his babies. However, children played a role in the fallout. According to MJJ as recorded in the Shmuley tapes they clash on the fundamentals were children were concerned. LMP did not like that children would call M at all hours of the day, or that Michael would want to take each call. On one occassion she dismissed a child (I am sure not rudely), but that pissed MJ off. Michael also said that she loved her children more than others, and all children deserved the same kind of love. For that I don't fault LMP, I would love my children more too, but this is Michael we are talking about, he never met a child he didn't love. Another major argument occurred over 2 - 10yr old kids that had murdered a 2 year old boy in England. Michael wanted to fly to London, and talk to them to find out what went wrong in their lives that would make them want to commit such an heinous act. LMP got upset and told him his going to hold counsel with them would be like rewarding their bad behaviour. Michael did not see it that way, he told Rabbi Shmuley that if he had those children to raise they would never think about doing such things. In the book there is a whole chapter dedicated to LMP. All in All he never said anything bad about her.
I'll agree on the statement that there were more problems within their relationship other than the "children" issue. Even though, I kind of would've liked for them to have children and work out, I do understand why Lisa Marie Presley wanted to wait. However, I do think that she should've explained that before they got married. That's just me. That could have avoided a lot of things. Despite all of the ngative things she said, I don't think she loved him any less. I also think he loved deeply as well. Again, that's just me.

I'll admit that I don't know the whole situation. That includes Michael Jackson's side of what happened, and the whole complete story of what they did. I probably shouldn't know. I think they both like their privacy. So, what happened between them, should probably stay between them.

All of this is just my opinion.

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