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Post by HeavenSent » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:27 pm

OMG, Tara.

I got into the rally last night. Didn't get home till almost midnight! Even though I was standby, a friend and I charmed our way in by saying we didn't know the line was for 'tickets only'. Shoot, whatever works! Not trying to cheat the system or anything, but c'mon! It was then or never! Obama's speech didn't start at 8:30, even though the doors opened at 6. Between time, there was entertainment and speeches from local leaders but after all that waiting, it was like the place was ready to erupt. I was so exhausted last nigt, I had to take a day off work! LOL

But yeah, it was so AWESOME. 19,000 last night packed into the arena and of course at the heart of it, Obama's speech was excellent. The man is so charismatic. Plus every time he drove home a point, the place went wild. I was like, damn the Houston Rockets can't even pull these type of crowds, and that arena is their home! Did you happen to catch the live broadcast?
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Post by InspirationMoonwalks » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:24 pm

[QUOTE=HeavenSent;201887]OMG, Tara.

I got into the rally last night. Didn't get home till almost midnight! Even though I was standby, a friend and I charmed our way in by saying we didn't know the line was for 'tickets only'. Shoot, whatever works! Not trying to cheat the system or anything, but c'mon! It was then or never! Obama's speech didn't start at 8:30, even though the doors opened at 6. Between time, there was entertainment and speeches from local leaders but after all that waiting, it was like the place was ready to erupt. I was so exhausted last nigt, I had to take a day off work! LOL

But yeah, it was so AWESOME. 19,000 last night packed into the arena and of course at the heart of it, Obama's speech was excellent. The man is so charismatic. Plus every time he drove home a point, the place went wild. I was like, damn the Houston Rockets can't even pull these type of crowds, and that arena is their home! Did you happen to catch the live broadcast?[/QUOTE]

:lol @ "charming" your way in..you go girl! :8-26-03respect: I am soo glad you were able to get in and see the man in action! :D I saw the broadcast on MSNBC and was thinking to myself "I hope Carla is in there!" Glad you were! :8-26-03fruits_apple The energy in the room is through the ROOF when he speaks, isn't it? :P It isn't just a campaign..it's a movement! Where were you sitting/standing?

He's debating Hillary again tonight in Austin on CNN--can't wait! Wonder if it'll be calm and cordial like in LA..or another smackdown like in South Carolina? The way things have been going lately, I'd lean towards the latter..:cryptic But, time will tell! :D :popcorn

BTW, did you hear about the sex scandal with John McCain and the lobbyist? It's all over the place! Wouldn't be surprised if someone in the conservative movement sold him out; a lot of them can't stand him!
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Post by Shannon » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:46 pm

[QUOTE=InspirationMoonwalks;201903] BTW, did you hear about the sex scandal with John McCain and the lobbyist? It's all over the place! Wouldn't be surprised if someone in the conservative movement sold him out; a lot of them can't stand him![/QUOTE]

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Whaaat? Sex scandal with McCain and a lobbyist? No way... woah, fill me in, baby, fill me in. :D :popcorn

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Post by HeavenSent » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:31 pm

InspirationMoonwalks;201903 wrote:Where were you sitting/standing?
I was "sitting" about 20 rows up from the floor. But it was pretty much a standing up affair!
He's debating Hillary again tonight in Austin on CNN--can't wait! Wonder if it'll be calm and cordial like in LA..or another smackdown like in South Carolina? The way things have been going lately, I'd lean towards the latter..:cryptic But, time will tell! :D :popcorn
It's do or die for her right now, and she desperately needs a near perfect showing. So with that said, I don't think it'll be a smackdown. It won't be a love fest either but I don't think she afford to be a bully right now. Excuse me, a bullette. :lol. Debating has been her strong suit, that's why she lobbied so hard for it. I just hope for her sake that this doesn't bite her in the ass like nearly every trick she and Bill have tried to pull out of their hats. Especially when her new motto, "talk is cheap." Right now, she needs to be her own best friend.
BTW, did you hear about the sex scandal with John McCain and the lobbyist? It's all over the place! Wouldn't be surprised if someone in the conservative movement sold him out; a lot of them can't stand him!
Yep, And it's the New York Times who don't have specific sources, but still. Bad timing! I wouldn't be surprised if someone sold him out either, it's been the nature of the game and it was bound to happen.
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Post by InspirationMoonwalks » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:31 pm

[QUOTE=Shannon;201904]:o

Whaaat? Sex scandal with McCain and a lobbyist? No way... woah, fill me in, baby, fill me in. :D :popcorn

:lol @ me.[/QUOTE]

Yep, apparently with some 40 year old lobbyist woman, back in 2000:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us/po ... ref=slogin

Guess he can join in with Bob Dole on a new Viagra commercial? :rollin Okay, that was bad, I know..LMAO. :P

OMG and check out what this person on the Democratic Underground (this political forum I go to) just posted:

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"My Friends....I have been sleeping around."


LMAO....ahh, the mental picture!!!:8-26-03yuk: :lol

Who knows if this is true or not (though its the NYT, not just some tabloid or something..) and really could care less who any of these politicians sleep with, lol, but the Republicans DO seem to care (if their witchhunt of Clinton back in '98 was anything to go by..) and such a thing could end up being the death of McCain if he is not careful (and a lot of the conservatives don't like him already!) I really think it's one of them that put this out here. If it was a Dem, they probably would've waited until closer to the General Election. lol.

Carla--:lol @ it being a standup affair....soo true. I know that when I went to the Phoenix rally, we all had seats but hardly anyone was using them---the whole thing was pretty much one standing ovation after the other! To the point of Barack telling us to sit down and "take a load off our feet", lol :P

Will be interesting to see how the debate turns out! :popcorn
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Post by Tabloid Junkie » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:57 am

Barack actually lacked substance and in regards to his experience, he struggled to corraborate an argument; he has minimal foreign policy experience. Hillary Clinton has been engaged in nearly every foreign policy experience during the first Clinton administration; she has 35 years of experience that qualifies her to be knowledgable, credible, and experienced in the foreign policy and economical fields.

Obama LACKS the necessary credentials. He has not participated in any major foreign policy legislative situations. If so, name one. He has not balanced a defecit, created jobs, or stabilize the economy through any formats of his political experience, whether as a Senator or on any previous committee. If so, name one.

THESE ARE NECESSARY, especially if he wants to assume the role of being the leader of the strongest nation in the world during the time of two wars and a potential economic recession.

In tonight's debate:

-Hillary Clinton NAILED him on the healthcare issue. He conceeded the argument that corraborates Hillary's rebuttal of his plan. His plan does leave out 15 million americans, and he only provides mandates to parents.
-Hillary Clinton scored MAJOR points with the immigration and border control issue. She raised the legitimate point that she was a major sponsor and contributor to the Comprehensive Immigration Reform. She provided a clear, concise message as to how she will legalize illegal immigrants while establishing restrictions for aliens who have committed crimes. Obama continues to support the argument that he will provide drivers licenses to illegals.
-She made credible and strong arguments about how she will have diplomatic communications/meetings with Cuba AFTER evidence is presented that Cuba will gradually progress to a democratic lifestyle for its citizens. Obama was hellbent on preparation that he failed to support with a needed procedure.
-Her closing statement is the most memorable highlight of the night. Even Obama supporters admitted that she made a personal connection that seems to bring the entire spectrum of the debate to her favor.

Obama did well, yet remained idealistic and lacked substance. Hillary has displayed her blueprint and solutions that she will endure in order to create change and progress in this broken country.

I will be more than willing to debate anyone who opposes or disagrees with my assessment.

EDIT: In response to those who said her closing statement implies her knowledge that her campaign is over?! Therefore she cannot make a personal connection without nonsensical assumptions from blind Obama supporters? The medias' attack and Obama supporters' attacks on Hillary seem very similar to the defemation that pundits exerted on Michael Jackson during his hard times.

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Post by R e a f u » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:39 am

[QUOTE=Tabloid Junkie;201925]

-Hillary Clinton NAILED him on the healthcare issue. He conceeded the argument that corraborates Hillary's rebuttal of his plan. His plan does leave out 15 million americans, and he only provides mandates to parents.
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I definitely have to agree with you on that one. Now , I'll admit being here in Canada I wasn't following the political situation in the states, and most tv stations here focus on Barack since he has people like Oprah on his side. I was really impressed with her stance on healthcare, everything that she said was part of her plan for national healthcare are the very things that have been part of Canada's system(especially here in Ontario) for ages..always found it odd that my neighbours to the south aren't enjoying the same perks as we do here.

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Post by InspirationMoonwalks » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:17 pm

[QUOTE=Tabloid Junkie;201925]Barack actually lacked substance and in regards to his experience, he struggled to corraborate an argument; he has minimal foreign policy experience. Hillary Clinton has been engaged in nearly every foreign policy experience during the first Clinton administration; she has 35 years of experience that qualifies her to be knowledgable, credible, and experienced in the foreign policy and economical fields.

Obama LACKS the necessary credentials. He has not participated in any major foreign policy legislative situations. If so, name one. He has not balanced a defecit, created jobs, or stabilize the economy through any formats of his political experience, whether as a Senator or on any previous committee. If so, name one.

THESE ARE NECESSARY, especially if he wants to assume the role of being the leader of the strongest nation in the world during the time of two wars and a potential economic recession.

In tonight's debate:

-Hillary Clinton NAILED him on the healthcare issue. He conceeded the argument that corraborates Hillary's rebuttal of his plan. His plan does leave out 15 million americans, and he only provides mandates to parents.
-Hillary Clinton scored MAJOR points with the immigration and border control issue. She raised the legitimate point that she was a major sponsor and contributor to the Comprehensive Immigration Reform. She provided a clear, concise message as to how she will legalize illegal immigrants while establishing restrictions for aliens who have committed crimes. Obama continues to support the argument that he will provide drivers licenses to illegals.
-She made credible and strong arguments about how she will have diplomatic communications/meetings with Cuba AFTER evidence is presented that Cuba will gradually progress to a democratic lifestyle for its citizens. Obama was hellbent on preparation that he failed to support with a needed procedure.
-Her closing statement is the most memorable highlight of the night. Even Obama supporters admitted that she made a personal connection that seems to bring the entire spectrum of the debate to her favor.

Obama did well, yet remained idealistic and lacked substance. Hillary has displayed her blueprint and solutions that she will endure in order to create change and progress in this broken country.

I will be more than willing to debate anyone who opposes or disagrees with my assessment.

EDIT: In response to those who said her closing statement implies her knowledge that her campaign is over?! Therefore she cannot make a personal connection without nonsensical assumptions from blind Obama supporters? The medias' attack and Obama supporters' attacks on Hillary seem very similar to the defemation that pundits exerted on Michael Jackson during his hard times.[/QUOTE]

Hey, Tabloid Junkie, long time, no see! :8-26-03fruits_apple lol.

While I do agree that Hillary made some great points last night and I do like and admire her in many ways, I have to disagree with you that Obama "lacks substance". I honestly don't think he gets enough credit for his experience; he's actually been an elected official since like 1996, in the State Senate in Illinois (while Hillary was still first lady). And he has participated in a number of legislative situations, helping to introduce legislation, etc. (you can read about his specific policies on barackobama.com, under "Issues"). His health care plan is also explained there and it doesn't leave out 15 million Americans--it's actually not too much different than Hillary's--they actually aren't THAT far apart on most of the issues--it just doesn't include as many mandates.

But you seem to base your whole argument on Washington experience and yes experience IS important...but so is judgement. And on Iraq, which is one of the, if not THE single most important issue that will be facing the next president when he (or she) takes office, Obama exhibited a clarity of judgment that Hillary, quite frankly, neglected in favor of political expediency. Yes, she's against it now and I have no doubt that she would bring the troops home, fix the healthcare mess and the other various snafus of the current administration and would overall, be a great president, but so, IMHO at least, would Obama. Not to mention a brand new, fresh perspective. And it seems like a lot of people out there are rejecting Washington and what many perceive to be the establishment, in favor of new people and ideas. Washington experience is not neccessarily a prerequisite. Look at Bill Clinton, even, or hell, even Bush (bad example, I know, lol, but..) Clinton is a better example because, for all his criticism of Obama, he was in much the same position when he first ran..considered by many as "too young", "inexperienced", etc So it's interesting to see the Clintons come back and criticize Obama for many of the same things they were ostracized for when he first ran.

And Hillary's campaign IS over if she doesn't soon start kicking it into high gear in the upcoming contests. She not only has to win in both Texas and Ohio to catch up to Obama, but she has to win BIG, by margins of like 60%. The momentum is clearly on his side; he's even getting a lot of the superdelegates who were originally going for her. I like Hillary and will definitely vote for her in the GE if she somehow manages to pull it off, but I just think it's Obama's time. And tell me, are all these people who are voting for him in MASSIVE numbers, resulting in differences of 20%, sometimes even 30% in a lot of these states "blind"? I mean, he must be doing SOMETHING right! :lol
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Post by HeavenSent » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:34 pm

Hey Jordan. Nice to see someone new in here!

@ Experience. Overrated. See Tara's response. :lol

Also regarding the blind statement. I'm beginning to think some of Obama detractors are the ones who are blind---Or terribly shortsighted in their thinking. It's always, "did you see his last speech" instead of taking the cumulative route. Why are they so caught up on his oratory when he's had valid stances all day long. I don't get it. In response to your assertions that this is like Michael Jackson's trial...Sorry don't see it. The media has given both sides equal opportunity to convince the public, but someone has got to show the ability to pull away. That's why you race. To get ahead. Whether it be Obama, Clinton or McCain, the candidate has to do their job and let the public have their say. If McCain or Clinton were affecting large masses of voters to get excited about politics again, who do you think the media is going to focus on more? It's the nature of the beast. Michael was RARELY afforded the opportunities. No matter what he did or said, it was the same old thing: Guilty.

Tara's also right on the margins by which Hillary HAS to win, here on out in order to stay alive. It's not just about winning, but about winning BIG.
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Post by InspirationMoonwalks » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:45 pm

HeavenSent;201933 wrote:Hey Jordan. Nice to see someone new in here!

@ Experience. Overrated. See Tara's response. :lol

Also regarding the blind statement. I'm beginning to think some of Obama detractors are the ones who are blind---Or terribly shortsighted in their thinking. It's always, "did you see his last speech" instead of taking the cumulative route. Why are they so caught up on his oratory when he's had valid stances all day long. I don't get it. In response to your assertions that this is like Michael Jackson's trial...Sorry don't see it. The media has given both sides equal opportunity to convince the public, but someone has got to show the ability to pull away. That's why you race. To get ahead. Whether it be Obama, Clinton or McCain, the candidate has to do their job and let the public have their say. If McCain or Clinton were affecting large masses of voters to get excited about politics again, who do you think the media is going to focus on more? It's the nature of the beast. Michael was RARELY afforded the opportunities. No matter what he did or said, it was the same old thing: Guilty.

Tara's also right on the margins by which Hillary HAS to win, here on out in order to stay alive. It's not just about winning, but about winning BIG.
I agree completely. I see where you're coming from, Jordan, with the Michael comparison, but I don't agree with it. Hillary's been afforded MULTIPLE "comebacks" and opportunities to bounce back and argue her case, practically after every set of primaries lately! :lol Let's face it, if she wasn't Hillary Clinton, she'd be written off and regarded as "2nd tier" by now, after 11 losses in a row. Look at Mike Huckabee (who, btw, lost to McCain in much smaller percentages in most of the GOP's recent primaries). It's only because of the way the Dems do the delegates (splitting, while the GOP is winner take all) and because, quite frankly, the media seems to be in love with this whole "Obama vs. Hillary" feud--Hello..ratings! lol--that it's still being considered "neck and neck". Not that Hillary is a media darling, lol, but the media (and indeed, much of America) loves this sort of thing, the suspense and the speculation of "What's going to happen next?" and who said or did what. But still, they are leaving it far more open ended than if she were not a "brand name" candidate, you know? Whereas, like Carla pointed out, Michael had the expectations stacked against him by the majority of the mainstream media pretty much from the start--they had more to gain from him going down than being vindicated..much the same way as they have more to gain with the Democratic feud still going on as opposed to it ending, you know? These people know only one M.O--ratings, which = cash. It's a game to them. So yeah in that sense, I can see the comparison...but I think it's in the opposite direction, if that makes sense?

Plus Obama's campaign is not just a campaign..it's a movement. Hillary has many dedicated, enthusiastic supporters too, but I don't know..his campaign is just..unique. As I've said before, I've attended both his and Hillary's rallies recently and the vibe, while containing much excitement at both of them, was just..different. Obama's was almost like a rock concert, lol. Not just enthusiasm for the Democratic candidate..but for HIM. It's similar, historically, to the likes of JFK or Bobby Kennedy..it doesn't happen often. And as much as I would not mind going back to something similar to the Clinton years, I think America is more than ready for a change..

In speaking of Bill Clinton, a poster on a political group I belong to pointed out something interesting, from his '92 campaign:
I found this debate footage from 1992 on YouTube. It's a minute long but in it Bill Clinton says:

I believe experience counts, but it's not everything. Values, judgment, and the record that I have amassed in my state also should count for something.


And later he says:

The same old experience is not relevant. And you can have the right kind of experience and the wrong kind of experience.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMlrSG1xb5k
How ironic! :lol Love Bill, but he's obviously exhibiting a case of selective memory as of late, with some of the things he's said about Obama, which are pretty similar to a lot of the criticisms leveled at him at the time, which he was talking about here. And look at how his presidency turned out! Pretty damn good over all, at least a hell of a lot better than the current one! And it started BEFORE he and Hillary went more Washington (and, for what it's worth, Obama has more Washington experience now than Bill did when he first ran..). So, it's clearly not everything..

BTW, Jordan, aren't you a Republican..if my memory serves me correctly at least? lol. Well at any rate, it's kinda cool to see you taking up for a Democratic candidate and Hillary Clinton, one who is greatly disliked by a lot of Republicans! :lol :thumbsup
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Post by danaluvsmj » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:55 pm

As much as I like Hillary, I think she's getting way too desperate, and it shows. She has so much to lose now, so she's going at whatever length she can to win, even if it means trashing Obama.

And I disagree to the comparison of Michael's trial. First of all, in the beginning Hillary looked like the one who would beat Obama, no contest. No one suspected that things would turn around. Even though Michael was acquitted, it was always assumed he would be guilty no matter what the outcome. From the beginning no one even gave him a chance.
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Post by HeavenSent » Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:54 am

InspirationMoonwalks;201939 wrote:
In speaking of Bill Clinton, a poster on a political group I belong to pointed out something interesting, from his '92 campaign:
ROTFL! Politics! Baffling and yet entertaining!

BTW, Jordan, aren't you a Republican..if my memory serves me correctly at least? lol. Well at any rate, it's kinda cool to see you taking up for a Democratic candidate and Hillary Clinton, one who is greatly disliked by a lot of Republicans! :lol :thumbsup
After all that stomping he used to do for Bush? :blink: :lol

But in all seriousness, it's completely reasonable for people to--at the very least-- acknowledge both sides of the coin, that's a mark of a mature debater. Some people get so caught up in their affliation that they fail to see just how more ALIKE their ideals are from their perceived 'enemies' than they are different. I've followed McCain and Ron Paul and the Republican side even though I'm a staunch Democrat. I actually enjoy reading view points from all sides. As I'm sure everyone else in this thread does!
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Post by HeavenSent » Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:47 pm

Of criticism that he's not battle-tested, Obama expressed disbelief.

"Listen, I'm a black man named Barack Obama running for president. You can't tell me I'm not tough," he said.
This made me laugh all day :lol


This was from an article reporting on his rally in Austin. You can read the full article here:

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/r ... obama.html
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Post by InspirationMoonwalks » Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:38 pm

"Listen, I'm a black man named Barack Obama running for president. You can't tell me I'm not tough," he said.
Quote of the week! :lol :D

Ohh and check this out. Apparently, Hillary is calling Obama out for one of his campaign mailers:

Clinton: Obama mailings deceptive By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
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CINCINNATI - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Saturday that a pair of mailings sent to voters by rival Barack Obama's campaign criticizing her health care plan and trade views are false, misleading and a betrayal of his pledge to practice a new style of politics.

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"Shame on you, Barack Obama. It is time you ran a campaign consistent with your messages in public – that's what I expect from you," Clinton said angrily, waving the mailings in the air.

"Meet me in Ohio, and let's have a debate about your tactics," she added.

The two presidential candidates will meet in a televised debate in Cleveland Tuesday.

Obama responded that the mailers are accurate and said he's puzzled why Clinton was raising them now since they have been around for several days at least.

"It makes me think there is something tactical about her getting so exercised this morning," Obama said at a media conference in Columbus, Ohio.

Clinton spoke to reporters after an early morning rally at Cincinnati Technical College, one of several events she has held across Ohio this week. After losing eleven straight contests to Obama since Super Tuesday, the former first lady is banking on a strong showing in primaries in Ohio and Texas on March 4 to save her fading candidacy.

With so much on the line and the clock ticking, Clinton ripped into Obama much more directly and forcefully than she has in the past.

She compared Obama to President Bush during the rally, suggesting the country had already taken a gamble on an inexperienced candidate who promised change.

"People talk a lot about change. We have lived through some of the worst change that anyone could imagine the last seven years," she said to loud applause. "People thought we were getting a compassionate conservative, didn't they? It turned out he was neither. We have lived with the consequences of those mistakes."

But the New York senator saved her toughest words for Obama's mailings, saying she refused to see the campaign "polluted" by such tactics.

"Enough about the speeches, and the big rallies, and then using tactics right out of (former Bush political adviser) Karl Rove's playbook. This is wrong and every Democrat should be outraged," Clinton said.

Clinton's advisers have repeatedly criticized the Obama campaign's health care mailing, which says her plan for universal coverage would "force" everyone to purchase insurance even if they can't afford it. Her plan requires everyone to be covered, but it offers tax credits and other subsidies to make insurance more affordable.

Obama's plan does not include the so-called "individual mandate" for adults, and he has argued that people cannot be required to buy coverage if they can't afford it. He has said his first priority is bringing down costs.

The Illinois senator's plan does include a mandate requiring parents to buy health insurance to cover children.

The second mailing, on the North American Free Trade Agreement, quotes a 2006 Newsday article suggesting Clinton believed the agreement had been a "boon" to the economy. NAFTA and other trade agreements are extremely unpopular in Ohio, which has suffered an exodus of blue-collar jobs to other countries in part due to such agreements.

It's a particularly sensitive matter for Clinton, whose husband championed and pushed for passage of the agreement as president. She is counting on the support of white, working class voters in the state.

"I am fighting to change NAFTA," she insisted. "Neither of us were in the Senate when NAFTA passed. Neither voted one way or the other."

Clinton said Newsday had corrected the record about her views on the agreement. Indeed, the paper published a blog item earlier this month saying Obama's use of the word "boon" was unfair.

"Obama's use of the citation in this way does strike us as misleading. The quote marks make it look as if Hillary said "boon," not us. It's an example of the kind of slim reeds campaigns use to try to win an office."

Earlier, Newsday published an item saying the word "boon" had been their "characterization of how we best understood her position on NAFTA, based on a review of past stories and her public statements."

As evidence of their concern about the issue, the Clinton campaign released two new ads in Ohio, including one featuring John Glenn – a former astronaut and U.S. senator from Ohio for 24 years – saying Clinton would fix trade agreements like NAFTA.

Bill Burton, Obama's campaign spokesman, responded, "We look forward to having a debate this Tuesday on the facts, and the facts are that Senator Clinton was a supporter of NAFTA and the China permanent trade treaties until this campaign began. And she herself has said that under the Clinton health care plan, she would consider 'going after the wages' of Americans."

Clinton said she felt good about her prospects in Ohio and Texas but refused to say whether she needed to win both states to stay in the race.

"Let's let the people of Ohio vote. Let's actually have an election and then we can look at the results," she said.


Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080223/ap_on_el_pr/clinton (with video!)

Hmm, actually, flat out SCOLDING Obama, comparing him to Bush? This is getting UGLY! :blink: (Never mind the fact that that mailer has been out since Super Tuesday..and all the attacks Hillary's campaign has waged, the most recent being the 'plagarism' thing. She REALLY seems to be coming undone..:cryptic ) I predict another SC like debate on Tuesday! :popcorn:lol

But seriously, as entertaining as all the drama is, lol, I kinda wish it would stop...I just want a united party for November, one way or the other, you know? :unsure: Looks like it's gonna be a fight to the finish!
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2008 U.S Presidential Elections: The Primaries -Hillary concedes&fully endorses Obama

Post by danaluvsmj » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:52 am

Whoa, Hillary is really starting to lose her marbles! She says she has no 'bad blood' with Obama from her side, but really it seems that she has trashed him more than he has her. Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. :rolleyes: Hillary is just going make things worse for her campaign if she keeps doing this.
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