Chandler and Schwartz convo (Redemption) - TRANSCRIPT

Important Statements from the Jackson camp and pertinent transcripts from various TV shows about Michael.

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Post by Teva » Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:33 pm

[quote name="shelly"]
I think you should remember Evan Chandler wanted to record an album about the molestation of his son. I don't think someone who is concerned about his son well being would do that and he knew he was being recorded. June Chandler said she saw him beat Dave and we all know what he did to Jordan a few years later but he did nothing but when he saw MJ in the same bed as his son with his hanbd on Jordan's genitals.

I don't think MJ was different with Brett and Wade. According to Wade's mother he asked to be with her son at one o'clock in the morning and they slept together. I don't understand why she was ok with that.
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I think it would have served Michael Jackson, the Chandlers, Prince, Paris, Blanket, the fans and THE WHOLE WORLD better if this case had gone to trial.  Something this serious has no business in civil court, and far worse settling. 
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Post by shelly » Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:05 pm

[quote name="Teva"]
I think it would have served Michael Jackson, the Chandlers, Prince, Paris, Blanket, the fans and THE WHOLE WORLD better if this case had gone to trial.  Something this serious has no business in civil court, and far worse settling. 
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I agree with you, something like that doesn't belong to a civil court.

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Post by crazychick!!! » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:05 am

[quote name="shelly"]
I agree with you, something like that doesn't belong to a civil court.
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Yea. The judge really screwed him on that one. He should have let the criminal investigation be completed before he set a date for the civil trial. That was best for MJ AND Jordan Chandler. And not to mention a little thing call double jeopardy. MJ's constitutional rights were totally overlooked when the judge ruled in the Chandler's favor, instead of Michael's.

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Post by Teva » Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:59 pm

@ Annelise,

You say you can't get past the 1993 case and that is quite understandable.  None of us know for sure what happened.  That's why we have trials, and a beautiful thing called cross examination.

I always flip flop when it comes to this case for the simple reason I mentioned above.  However, history hates mysteries, and take heart that this will be solved.  Jordan is 30 now, and one day he may have a child, and that could force him out in public to speak about what happened.  Also someone will get to the bottom of the sodium amytal mystery.  When the judge allowed previous testimony from the 1993 case into the 2005 that caused Messereau to investigate that allegation.  Even if the things I read make Michael look guilty I still cannot shake, "what does Messereau know that I don't feeling."  He would have had to prepare a cross examination for Jordan had he showed up, and why feverently defend MJ even after death, to me that doesn't make sense.  So much has been written about this case, yet so much is unknown.
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Post by oldschoolfan » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:25 pm

I do believe the truth will come out one day.
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Post by OneMoreChance » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:30 pm

[quote name="Teva"]
@ Annelise,

You say you can't get past the 1993 case and that is quite understandable.  None of us know for sure what happened.  That's why we have trials, and a beautiful thing called cross examination.

I always flip flop when it comes to this case for the simple reason I mentioned above.  However, history hates mysteries, and take heart that this will be solved.  Jordan is 30 now, and one day he may have a child, and that could force him out in public to speak about what happened.  Also someone will get to the bottom of the sodium amytal mystery.  When the judge allowed previous testimony from the 1993 case into the 2005 that caused Messereau to investigate that allegation.  Even if the things I read make Michael look guilty I still cannot shake, "what does Messereau know that I don't feeling."  He would have had to prepare a cross examination for Jordan had he showed up, and why feverently defend MJ even after death, to me that doesn't make sense.  So much has been written about this case, yet so much is unknown.
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Messereau had people ready to testify to the fact that Jordan was lying
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Post by shelly » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:21 pm

[quote name="Teva"]
@ Annelise,

You say you can't get past the 1993 case and that is quite understandable.  None of us know for sure what happened.  That's why we have trials, and a beautiful thing called cross examination.

I always flip flop when it comes to this case for the simple reason I mentioned above.  However, history hates mysteries, and take heart that this will be solved.  Jordan is 30 now, and one day he may have a child, and that could force him out in public to speak about what happened.  Also someone will get to the bottom of the sodium amytal mystery.  When the judge allowed previous testimony from the 1993 case into the 2005 that caused Messereau to investigate that allegation.  Even if the things I read make Michael look guilty I still cannot shake, "what does Messereau know that I don't feeling."  He would have had to prepare a cross examination for Jordan had he showed up, and why feverently defend MJ even after death, to me that doesn't make sense.  So much has been written about this case, yet so much is unknown.
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I think, you should remember it was just an allegation. The psychiatric interview is very dramatic but all false allegations have these kind of psychiatric interview because the parents are behind them . You just never read them. I think Mesereau  knows probably much more about false allegation than we do.
In France, a few years ago we had the Outreau case. Kids all said they were raped and tortured by 15 adults. There stories were found credible by psychiatrist and their interviews were very dramatic but all the kids were lying.

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Post by Teva » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:46 pm

Digression. 

I think between the years 1993-1997 Michael saw the writing on the wall and knew that things would have ended the way they did for him.  I believe on some deeper level he knew he would not be able to get past professionally what happened in 1993 that is why he was pressuring Lisa Marie Presley (LMP) for a child.  He knew that fans, family, and friends could abandon, but the love from his children would be something to ground him. I could see Prince becoming a famous film director and making a documentary about his dad some day.

Back to the point.
Yes, Shelly you are right.  I am sure if we had the view the pychiatrist report from Gavin it would be very convincing as well.  It is extremely difficult not to side with a child in a molestation case.
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Post by shelly » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:35 pm

[quote name="Teva"]
Back to the point.
Yes, Shelly you are right.  I am sure if we had the view the pychiatrist report from Gavin it would be very convincing as well.  It is extremely difficult not to side with a child in a molestation case.
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I know and I agree with that.

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Post by crazychick!!! » Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:31 am

Gavin's testimony on direct might sound convincing, but his cross-examination is not in the least. Also, I'm sure if you read the transcript of Gavin's interview with detectives, it would seem pretty convincing. However, when you look at the actual video tape of the interview you see how nonchalant and unemotional he is. And how he is being lead by detectives.

Jordan Chandler telling of the allegations aren't proof that they happened. It's just proof that he made an allegation. In my opinion, Jordan's interview with the psychologist is not convincing at all to me. It's completely devoid of any emotion. It reminded me of his mother's testimony. When I read it I didn't get the feeling that he was sad, angry, or scared at all. It's like he's telling about something that happened to somebody else.
[quote name="annelise"]And what was the underwear with blood that was found in Michael's house?! 
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And what underwear are you talking about. :confused: Is that from a tabloid?

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Post by shelly » Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:55 am

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When I read it I didn't get the feeling that he was sad, angry, or scared at all. It's like he's telling about something that happened to somebody else. [/quote]

We don't know if he was sad or not when he said that because we only have a transcript of what he said not the video.

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Post by OneMoreChance » Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:33 am

[quote name="crazychick!!!"]
Gavin's testimony on direct might sound convincing, but his cross-examination is not in the least. Also, I'm sure if you read the transcript of Gavin's interview with detectives, it would seem pretty convincing. However, when you look at the actual video tape of the interview you see how nonchalant and unemotional he is. And how he is being lead by detectives.

Jordan Chandler telling of the allegations aren't proof that they happened. It's just proof that he made an allegation. In my opinion, Jordan's interview with the psychologist is not convincing at all to me. It's completely devoid of any emotion. It reminded me of his mother's testimony. When I read it I didn't get the feeling that he was sad, angry, or scared at all. It's like he's telling about something that happened to somebody else. And what underwear are you talking about. :confused: Is that from a tabloid?
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That is one of Aprodite Jones main reasons as to why she started to believe that Michael was innocent was when she watched the tape of the detectives interviewing Gavin. The detectives kept saying things like "Tell us what Michael jackson did to you." "We know he's done this before."

The biggest blow to the prosecution was Janet Arviso (or Jackson if you choose to call her that I don't cause it just seems weird). She claims that they were being held captive yet there is proof that they went shopping and that she went for leg waxes all on Michael's dime. She claimed that they were not allowed to know the time. I have seen hundreds of pictures of Neverland and there were clocks everywhere! Her testimony alone was enough to destroy the prosecution. She came off as a complete crack pot!

I never believed any of it and never will! There is not a shadow of doubt in my mind!

I was a little confused by the bloody underwear too. I have never heard that!
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Post by OneMoreChance » Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:39 am

[quote name="shelly"]
We don't know if he was sad or not when he said that because we only have a transcript of what he said not the video.
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There is a difference in how an adolescent would describe something like that and how an adult would describe it. To me in both cases it seems like they were coached in what to say. They described things like an adult would not a child. The interpretation that Jordan did not come off as sad mainly has to do with what he said not how he said it.
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Post by annelise » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:08 am

thank you all for your answers
I know there are so many things that lean towards Michael's inocence and whenever he is attacked I am the first one to jump on the person and say "look do you know that and that?" but when it comes to me and only Jordan chandler i have doubts and think what if? and i hate myself for it.

I know the deposition with jason francia is a proof right there that they created this "memory" of Michael fondling his genitals. At the time when the deposition was available on this site i've send it to a person by email that was specialized in false allegations and she told me that everything was wrong about the way they interview the kid (don't take no for an answer, try to make him feel guilty by saying that others kids were on drugs because of what Michael did...). And then there are the testimonies of the other kids(wade, mac, brett to name a few) and when they talk they make it seem so natural (the friendship they had with Michael), i think it is because Jordan is not talking cause it is easy to make everything look sinister....when you have only one version of a story (his dad, mum, employees....)

I know the outreau think, I am french and it is scary what happened!!!!! in a movie you wouldn't believe....

About the underwear it is on the webiste where the conversations is, the person is listing several items that was find in Michael's house and they list an underwear with blood stains.

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Post by OneMoreChance » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:25 am

[quote name="annelise"]
thank you all for your answers
I know there are so many things that lean towards Michael's inocence and whenever he is attacked I am the first one to jump on the person and say "look do you know that and that?" but when it comes to me and only Jordan chandler i have doubts and think what if? and i hate myself for it.

I know the deposition with jason francia is a proof right there that they created this "memory" of Michael fondling his genitals. At the time when the deposition was available on this site i've send it to a person by email that was specialized in false allegations and she told me that everything was wrong about the way they interview the kid (don't take no for an answer, try to make him feel guilty by saying that others kids were on drugs because of what Michael did...). And then there are the testimonies of the other kids(wade, mac, brett to name a few) and when they talk they make it seem so natural (the friendship they had with Michael), i think it is because Jordan is not talking cause it is easy to make everything look sinister....when you have only one version of a story (his dad, mum, employees....)

I know the outreau think, I am french and it is scary what happened!!!!! in a movie you wouldn't believe....

About the underwear it is on the webiste where the conversations is, the person is listing several items that was find in Michael's house and they list an underwear with blood stains.
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I have done A LOT of research into both sets of allegations and this is the first I have ever heard about bloody underwear. Do you think you post the link to this site?
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