Chandler and Schwartz convo (Redemption) - TRANSCRIPT

Important Statements from the Jackson camp and pertinent transcripts from various TV shows about Michael.

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Post by Teva » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:17 pm

Just reporting what Latoya said in her book.  She also said he kept report cards from his siblings as well.  I do find soiled underclothes weird, but hey.  BTW your siggy of MJ dancing is hot.
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Post by OneMoreChance » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:02 pm

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Just reporting what Latoya said in her book.  She also said he kept report cards from his siblings as well.  I do find soiled underclothes weird, but hey.  BTW your siggy of MJ dancing is hot.
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Post by annelise » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:58 am

I am not implying anything with the bloody underwear, i am just saying what i saw on this website (the link is in the beginning of the thread) everything else is true (the mags and so on) and then there is the bloody underwear in it. I do find it strange that Michael kept soiled diapers that is disgusting come on! i hope it ain't true. Who know s what latoya said during that time is true or false...she was a confused girl as hell back then.

It is hard to judge because, i know for me, that you read things and it looks so bad and then you see the actual fact and then it is not so bad. I guess i am influencable by the media whether i want to admit it or not (which is even scarier cause i don't read magazines but when i read articles about Michael in  forums). You do expect them to tell the truth. This whole case is mainly about hysteria!! like the testimony of Bianca francia she panicked because everybody was saying that Michael was a pedophile and though of her son who spent time with Michael then sent him to Stan katz and then the deposition with the cops who are not interviewing him properly and then you have a second victim...

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Post by shelly » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:07 am

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It is hard to judge because, i know for me, that you read things and it looks so bad and then you see the actual fact and then it is not so bad. I guess i am influencable by the media whether i want to admit it or not (which is even scarier cause i don't read magazines but when i read articles about Michael in  forums). You do expect them to tell the truth. [/quote]

Everybody is. In the first allegation, it's so hard to know what is true and what is not.

From what I understand it came from that legal document about things which were taken in 2003

http://michael-jackson-facts.yolasite.c ... tsheet.pdf

I don't know what it is but it's not a big deal since there was no DNA belonging to the accuser.

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Post by OneMoreChance » Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:25 pm

I have this document stored on my computer. As I said earlier I have done a lot of research on these cases. If you guys can point out to me where it mentions bloody underwear I would appreciate it because I don't see it. As for the stained sheets I don't know if any of your are familiar with forensics, but just because something looks like blood does not mean that is it blood. The only reference I see to underwear is underwear that appeared to have been worn, but was washed. No mention of bloody underwear.

The thing I find most interesting about these documents is that they show that Michael was completely unorganized! He appears to have important paperwork all over the house. It's a wonder he could ever find anything.

While it is true that pedophiles use porn to "groom" their victims the mere owning of porn does not prove anything. If this was the case then I'm sure that a giant chunk of the male (and female) population should be considered pedophiles.
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Post by Teva » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:14 pm

I personally think the 1993 case will drive the sane crazy.  However, I have never heard of porn being used to groom, but let's suppose it is true.  Why have the porn in your bathroom and under your bed?  Aren't those places where normal adults would keep porn for their viewing pleasure?    Also why have so much?  A pedophile would only need one or two mags.
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Post by OneMoreChance » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:48 pm

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I personally think the 1993 case will drive the sane crazy.  However, I have never heard of porn being used to groom, but let's suppose it is true.  Why have the porn in your bathroom and under your bed?  Aren't those places where normal adults would keep porn for their viewing pleasure?    Also why have so much?  A pedophile would only need one or two mags.
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Porn is regularly used by pedophiles to 'groom' their victims. This is a fact, trust me I read a lot about everything and anything. The thing I would like to point out is that the actual porn found in Michael's house. Not the artistic books, but the actual porn was all heterosexual.
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Post by Teva » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:05 pm

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Porn is regularly used by pedophiles to 'groom' their victims. This is a fact, trust me I read a lot about everything and anything. The thing I would like to point out is that the actual porn found in Michael's house. Not the artistic books, but the actual porn was all heterosexual.
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Jenniffer, don't you think the 1993 case would drive you crazy?  I was heavily into it when Michael died because I felt that was were it all went wrong.  Seriously I had to stop myself because it was all so lurid.  Everytime I read sometime I feel like I need a shower, use the bathroom, or have a strong drink.  All I know is that one day we will know everything, and there will be a seismic shift.
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Post by OneMoreChance » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:27 pm

It does make me feel dirty that someone would ever say that Michael would do such things. It used to drive me crazy, but it doesn't anymore. I know the truth and that's what matters to me.
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Post by Teva » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:38 pm

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It does make me feel dirty that someone would ever say that Michael would do such things. It used to drive me crazy, but it doesn't anymore. I know the truth and that's what matters to me.
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I am glad it doesn't drive you crazy  :cool: Crazy is never a good place.  Why do you think Jordan would lie for so long?  What's wrong with him?  Do you believe sodium amytal was used?
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Post by OneMoreChance » Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:54 pm

I am glad it doesn't drive you crazy  Crazy is never a good place.  Why do you think Jordan would lie for so long?  What's wrong with him?  Do you believe sodium amytal was used?
Well think about it...Jordan could face legal action (by the family or the authorities) then he also has to worry about angry fans seeking retribution. It would open a giant can of worms for him. I don't blame Jordan in the slightest. he was manipulated by his father.

I do believe that sodium amytal was used. Evan Chandler admitted that he used it on Jordan for medical purposes.
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Post by Teva » Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:15 pm

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Well think about it...Jordan could face legal action (by the family or the authorities) then he also has to worry about angry fans seeking retribution. It would open a giant can of worms for him. I don't blame Jordan in the slightest. he was manipulated by his father.

I do believe that sodium amytal was used. Evan Chandler admitted that he used it on Jordan for medical purposes.

So if SA was used then Jordan could actually believe he was molested.
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Post by OneMoreChance » Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:51 pm

Sodium amytal is the perfect drug for inducing false memories. So yes it's entirely possible that Jordan actually believes that Michael molested him.
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Post by Teva » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:12 pm

So June could believe it too?

This is sad all around.
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Post by OneMoreChance » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:28 pm

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So June could believe it too?

This is sad all around.
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Probably! She didn't believe it a first, so maybe this was what made her start believing.
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