Chandler and Schwartz convo (Redemption) - TRANSCRIPT

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Post by shelly » Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:24 am

[quote name="Jeniffer30"]
Well think about it...Jordan could face legal action (by the family or the authorities) then he also has to worry about angry fans seeking retribution. It would open a giant can of worms for him. I don't blame Jordan in the slightest. he was manipulated by his father.

I do believe that sodium amytal was used. Evan Chandler admitted that he used it on Jordan for medical purposes.
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If Jordan wanted the truth out he would have testify in 2005. For whatever reason he didn't want and I don't think he will speak to the press, at least not in the near future.

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Post by Teva » Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:42 am

Yeah, he would have testified in 2005.  However, I believe we haven't hear the last of JC, and now that MJ is dead more people than ever are interested in this case.  Whenever, persons want to say Mike was a pedophile this is the case they refer to more than the Arvizo because this is the case with only the prosecution evidence in the public.  Or maybe JC remained quiet because he doesn't want to do any more damage to MJ's reputation. 
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Post by shelly » Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:37 am

[quote name="Teva"]
Yeah, he would have testified in 2005.  However, I believe we haven't hear the last of JC, and now that MJ is dead more people than ever are interested in this case.  Whenever, persons want to say Mike was a pedophile this is the case they refer to more than the Arvizo because this is the case with only the prosecution evidence in the public.  Or maybe JC remained quiet because he doesn't want to do any more damage to MJ's reputation. 
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Or maybe he didn't want to see his life ruined by some crazy fans

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Post by Teva » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:57 pm

We have not heard the last from Jordan.  Trust me.

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There is no escape for Jordan Chandler, and he will come to realize that.  If he goes to Las Vagas: Michael is there, if he goes in the subways: Michael is there, if he turns on his tv:  Michael is there, if he goes to the movies: Michael is there.  With Branca running the show there will be more mult-million dollar deals in the future.  MJ's music will be featured in movies, and I even heard of guiatar hero MJ.  Ray Chandler said Jordan just wanted to escape it all, but there is no escape, Michael Jackson is universal.  With his father killing himself only complicates matters, Jordan will come out.  I don't know if it will be in 10 years or one day, but he will and when he does he needs to bring Mark Torbiner along with him!

I don't know if you know this, but JC's false claims psychiatrist committed suicide in 2003.  Apparently he was suffering from a mental degenerative disease.  So they are only 3 insiders remaining from the 1993 case:  MT, JC & Barry Rothman.  That's it.
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Post by crazychick!!! » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:05 pm

[quote name="shelly"]
Or maybe he didn't want to see his life ruined by some crazy fans
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"Crazy fans" didn't ruin Gavin's life or Jason's, or any of the other hundred and something witnesses for the Prosecution. So, why would Jordan be single out?

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Post by shelly » Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:47 am

[quote name="crazychick!!!"]
"Crazy fans" didn't ruin Gavin's life or Jason's, or any of the other hundred and something witnesses for the Prosecution. So, why would Jordan be single out?
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Because he is the one who started everything.

I don't think it's an easy thing to go on TV and says to the world he lied and ruined someone else life and reputation.

And what will happen to him, if he came on TV and said he was really molested?

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Post by crazychick!!! » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:47 am

[quote name="shelly"]
Because he is the one who started everything.

I don't think it's an easy thing to go on TV and says to the world he lied and ruined someone else life and reputation.

And what will happen to him, if he came on TV and said he was really molested?
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No, Evan is the one who started it. I have been coming to fan boards for years, and I never got the impression that fan's blame any other person for the allegation other than Evan Chandler.

And if Jordan was bold enough to say that, he would of been bold enough to say it during the trial. When it could have helped the Prosecutor. What good would it do now?

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Post by OneMoreChance » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:43 am

[quote name="crazychick!!!"]
No, Evan is the one who started it. I have been coming to fan boards for years, and I never got the impression that fan's blame any other person for the allegation other than Evan Chandler.

And if Jordan was bold enough to say that, he would of been bold enough to say it during the trial. When it could have helped the Prosecutor. What good would it do now?
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Evan did start it and because of the sodium amytal it is very likely that Jordy believes 100% that Michael molested him. How sick of a man are you that you would do that to your own child? So unless someone tells Jordy the truth about everything including the sodium amytal we will most likely never hear a word from Jordy.
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Post by crazychick!!! » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:11 pm

[quote name="Jeniffer30"]
Evan did start it and because of the sodium amytal it is very likely that Jordy believes 100% that Michael molested him. How sick of a man are you that you would do that to your own child? So unless someone tells Jordy the truth about everything including the sodium amytal we will most likely never hear a word from Jordy.
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You really believe that Sodium Amytal story? I think that hold scene in the dental office never happened. They just said that to keep Jordan from testifying in a court of law. Jordan was in on this. But I think he had a change of heart later on. That's why he got emancipated for both of his parents,and went years without speaking to both of them.

If he really believes he was abused, then why would he not speak to his Father for all those years? He would believe that his Father saved him from a horrible situation. 

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Post by OneMoreChance » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:23 pm

[quote name="crazychick!!!"]
You really believe that Sodium Amytal story? I think that hold scene in the dental office never happened. They just said that to keep Jordan from testifying in a court of law. Jordan was in on this. But I think he had a change of heart later on. That's why he got emancipated for both of his parents,and went years without speaking to both of them.

If he really believes he was abused, then why would he not speak to his Father for all those years? He would believe that his Father saved him from a horrible situation.  
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There was not reason to make up a story to keep Jordy from testifying. There is no law that could make Jordy testify. All Jordy would have to do is refuse (which he did). Jordy was young boy manipulated by his father. I don't blame him in the slightest.

Evan was abusive to Jordy that's why Jordy got a restraining order against Evan. Even if Jordy believes he was molested by Michael does not mean that he would put up with Evan's abuse.

Evan didn't create the sodium amytal story. It was only after someone found out that Evan admitted to it. Does anyone have the story on how they sodium amytal was discovered?
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Post by crazychick!!! » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:34 pm

[quote name="Jeniffer30"]
There was not reason to make up a story to keep Jordy from testifying. There is no law that could make Jordy testify. All Jordy would have to do is refuse (which he did). Jordy was young boy manipulated by his father. I don't blame him in the slightest.

Evan was abusive to Jordy that's why Jordy got a restraining order against Evan. Even if Jordy believes he was molested by Michael does not mean that he would put up with Evan's abuse.

Evan didn't create the sodium amytal story. It was only after someone found out that Evan admitted to it. Does anyone have the story on how they sodium amytal was discovered?
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The Sodium Amytal story was created to keep him from testifying in the civil trial, not a criminal trial (if there was one). The law is different, and he would of have to testify civilly if subpoenaed.

And Jordan mention being giving a drug and being put to sleep in the interview with Dr. Gardner. And, according to Jordan, when he woke up he then told Evan about the alleged abuse. Harvey Levin who was a KCBS-TV reporter at the time (he was also the first to report it), asked Evan if the drug given to his son was Sodium Amytal, and he was like if I gave it to him it was for dental reasons. Mark Tobiner said the same thing to Mary Fischer. So, Evan was kind of like 'maybe I did' or 'maybe I didn't.' He really didn't give a definitive answer either way. 

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Post by OneMoreChance » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:50 pm

[quote name="crazychick!!!"]
The Sodium Amytal story was created to keep him from testifying in the civil trial, not a criminal trial (if there was one). The law is different, and he would of have to testify civilly if subpoenaed.

And Jordan mention being giving a drug and being put to sleep in the interview with Dr. Gardner. And, according to Jordan, when he woke up he then told Evan about the alleged abuse. Harvey Levin who was a KCBS-TV reporter at the time (he was also the first to report it), asked Evan if the drug given to his son was Sodium Amytal, and he was like if I gave it to him it was for dental reasons. Mark Tobiner said the same thing to Mary Fischer. So, Evan was kind of like 'maybe I did' or 'maybe I didn't.' He really didn't give a definitive answer either way. 
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Why would the sodium amytal have kept him from testifying? Like you said in the civil case he would have to testify if subpoenaed. So why bother to make up the sodium amytal story?
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Post by shelly » Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:37 am

[quote name="crazychick!!!"]
No, Evan is the one who started it. I have been coming to fan boards for years, and I never got the impression that fan's blame any other person for the allegation other than Evan Chandler.

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I am not blaming Jordan and I know Evan started the allegation but Jordan was the first kid and he would have to say he was part of a plot to extort money from someone and destroyed his life and reputation.

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Post by annelise » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:52 am

As far as i remember the sodyum was used because jordan wasn't making any allegations agaisnt Michael (only Evan was ) and he thought probably that jordan was too afraid or didn't want to say anything. s he took him to his dental office and say that he gave him that to pull out a tooth and then jordan came with the allegations. 
Jordan didn't stop talking to his father after the allegations he stopped talking to his mother because , i think he said that to dr gardner, his mother "pimped him out". After she testified against Michael he talked to her again.

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Post by crazychick!!! » Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:42 pm

[quote name="annelise"]
As far as i remember the sodyum was used because jordan wasn't making any allegations agaisnt Michael (only Evan was ) and he thought probably that jordan was too afraid or didn't want to say anything. s he took him to his dental office and say that he gave him that to pull out a tooth and then jordan came with the allegations. 
Jordan didn't stop talking to his father after the allegations he stopped talking to his mother because , i think he said that to dr gardner, his mother "pimped him out". After she testified against Michael he talked to her again.
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No, those are media lies. Jordan got emancipated from both of his parents, not just June. In the "EVANStory" lawsuit in 1996, Evan revealed that Jordan no longer lived with his Father, but that he now lived with his Step-Mother. It is not until 2003, when Evan was really sick from cancer that they had a relationship again. However, the relationship fractured again when Evan physically assaulted Jordan in 2005. Jordan didn't even attend Evan's funeral. I believe no family members did.

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