Elizabeth Taylor on Klein

[Teva]

[quote name="Jeniffer30"]
[quote name="Teva"]I don't think any of the fans here are slamming Elizabeth Taylor. She has been a loyal friend of Michael Jackson for 26 years. She is the last person fans should be slamming especially since in 2005 she stood by him.[/quote]

A lot of people immediately assumed that she was confirming that Michael was gay and were angry about it. That's what I'm talking about. Everyone is so quick to jump the gun.[/quote]

If you think fans are angry and jumping the gun now better brace yourself for next month. With Murray's trial, Ian Halperin's documentary, and end-end news coverage fans are going to be exhausted. personally I think that ET is a gem.

 

[Saphster]

What pisses me off is the idiot fans who seriously say,

"Oh if it's true Klein was wrong for even going to the media to betray Michael's trust."

OR

"If Michael was gay there was no reason for Klein to tell the whole world."

Michael was not gay. End of discussion. He stated this MANY times and he would be annoyed by being labeled as gay when he clearly was not.

I think Elizabeth should have stayed away from the sarcasm because a lot of people are not going to understand the sarcasm. Especially when it's typed on a computer screen and no one can see your expression or hear the tone in which you say it in.

And also the comment about how she thought doctors were supposed to take oath's like priests kinda DOES insinuate the possibility that Michael was gay. Because WITH THAT comment she is saying that doctors are suppose to take their patients secrets to the grave with them just like priests (SUPPOSEDLY) take the secrets of people who have confessed their sins to them in confession to the grave. And that right there could very well give people the impression that she is implying that Klein was wrong for outing Michael. She does not deny or accept the possibility that Michael was gay or not. She just leaves it hanging with the so called sarcasm. How can anyone really tell she was being sarcastic if we can't see her expression or hear her tone?

Well whatever. I'm not going to go down Elizabeth's throat. But If I were her I would have said something different. Like cursed Klein out and denied all rumors of Michael being gay. But hey whatever. If she thinks sarcasm is better then that's on her.

edit: and just cause someone was Michael's friend does not mean I'm going to defend them or their actions if I don't agree with them. JUST cause they were Michael's friend....that's not a good reason to me.

 

[OneMoreChance]

[quote name="Saphster"]What pisses me off is the idiot fans who seriously say,

"Oh if it's true Klein was wrong for even going to the media to betray Michael's trust."

OR

"If Michael was gay there was no reason for Klein to tell the whole world."

Michael was not gay. End of discussion. He stated this MANY times and he would be annoyed by being labeled as gay when he clearly was not.

I think Elizabeth should have stayed away from the sarcasm because a lot of people are not going to understand the sarcasm. Especially when it's typed on a computer screen and no one can see your expression or hear the tone in which you say it in.

And also the comment about how she thought doctors were supposed to take oath's like priests kinda DOES insinuate the possibility that Michael was gay. Because WITH THAT comment she is saying that doctors are suppose to take their patients secrets to the grave with them just like priests (SUPPOSEDLY) take the secrets of people who have confessed their sins to them in confession to the grave. And that right there could very well give people the impression that she is implying that Klein was wrong for outing Michael. She does not deny or accept the possibility that Michael was gay or not. She just leaves it hanging with the so called sarcasm. How can anyone really tell she was being sarcastic if we can't see her expression or hear her tone?

Well whatever. I'm not going to go down Elizabeth's throat. But If I were her I would have said something different. Like cursed Klein out and denied all rumors of Michael being gay. But hey whatever. If she thinks sarcasm is better then that's on her.[/quote]

I understood her tweets the moment I saw them. What she was saying basically is that it you believe what he is saying then you also have to believe that he broke doctor/patient confidentiality (which is illegal) and pretty much shows the man is not trustworthy.

 

[oldschoolfan]

What really bugs me is that every person on Michael's side has to word their defense without flaw or they get criticized for it, 'they should have said this' 'they shouldn't have said this' 'they should have worded this differently' 'they should have kept quiet' 'they should have said something and they didn't.
Perhaps Elizabeth didn't say 'Michael's not gay' because she knew it was all bull shit and figured it wasn't worth it. I mean it's not like half the people out their would believe her anyway, and she knows that.

 

[Palmyra]

I think Elizabeth should have stayed away from the sarcasm because a lot of people are not going to understand the sarcasm. Especially when it's typed on a computer screen and no one can see your expression or hear the tone in which you say it in.

Exactly. We don't need sarcasm. We need explicit language.

Perhaps Elizabeth didn't say 'Michael's not gay' because she knew it was all bull shit and figured it wasn't worth it.

If she doesn't think it's worth it, why won't she just stay quiet on the subject? We don't need more confusing comments about Michael. There's plenty of garbage the media uses...to use bring more unclear insinuations into this creates an even bigger lie.

For what it's worth, I never jumped on Elizabeth Taylor. I am critical of how she phrased her comment, but I have nothing against her. Michael was himself was terribly bad at communicating his thoughts, and Elizabeth just made things worse by using sarcasm. Would it kill her to use explicit, clear language instead of sarcasm? We don't need giggles. We need outright language.

 

[Justlookingaround]

His Mother was very religious was he? Who's life was it again? And Michael was going to hide who he was because Joe did not like it? I don't think so. How about this how about Michael was not gay end of story/ Why does there always have to be a reason for Michael to hide something for some people. Said he was not gay oh he needs to hide it because his Mother would not like it. You think his Mother like some of the things Janet has done you think she likes the fact that two of her sons have had kids with the same woman? I am sure they love there Mother too but Michael is the one that needed to hide because of her. Good Lord Michael just can't win. How many gay men do you know have straight porn magazines in his home? Porn movies looked at porn on there computers. You know what they call gay men who do that straight men.

 

[Justlookingaround]

Liz's comments were about Klein not Michael. If you wanted her to say Michael was not gay she was not going to do that. Her statement is self explanatory the only people freaking out are fans. And why? If Michael us all he was not gay shouldn't that be the end of it? Why do you need it need to be reaffirmed to some

 

[Alijoy]

It's truly mind-boggling that fans, or anybody else for that matter, need Elizabeth to have made explicit statements. Her sarcasm was clever. The only problem I can see is that she gave people that would read her tweets the benefit of assuming they have 2 working brain cells & a little bit of logic. Apparently she gave people too much credit. It's just sad that even some fans don't get it.

 

[Palmyra]

Her statement is self explanatory the only people freaking out are fans

No, it's not self-explanatory. I know very well that Michael was not gay, but there's no need for Elizabeth to suggest that Michael was gay. The priest analogy was absolutely horrible. It gives readers the impression that Michael confided in Klein that he was gay and that Klein broke this sense of trust. Why would she use a priest analogy if she wasn't suggesting that Michael shared his homosexuality with Klein? I've never been to a priest, but I am pretty sure people confide their worries, concerns, and secrets (i.e., the truth) in priests.

If Michael us all he was not gay shouldn't that be the end of it?

It's the end of it for me, but Elizabeth created more seeds of doubt for others.

The only problem I can see is that she gave people that would read her tweets the benefit of assuming they have 2 working brain cells & a little bit of logic.

Alijoy, please don't resort to insulting others on this board. It's not consistent with how things flow here. You can make your point without offending others.

Her sarcasm was clever.

No, it wasn't. She threw in a bad analogy to make matters worse.

It's just sad that even some fans don't get it.

We shouldn't have to "get it." She can just state her thoughts in direct terms.

 

[Alijoy]

I'm truly shocked that common sense is in such short supply. Elizabeth is the last person that would even imply something that she knows to be false. Make no mistake; Elizabeth is well aware he wasn't gay. If people don't want to be insulted, they need to use the brain they were born with.

 

[sunshine.larrazabal]

[quote name="Palmyra"]She can just state her thoughts in direct terms.[/quote]



As much as I truly, TRULLLLLY believe(d) that Mike WAS NOT GAY BECAUSE he said it MANY TIMES, Liz Taylor could have been straightforward and said, MICHAEL WAS NOT GAY! end of the tweet!

OR she could have said, THIS kLEIN IS A LIAR, MICHAEL WAS NOT GAY!

Or, HE BETRAYED MICHAEL BEING HIS PATIENT, I WONDER IF HE'LL BREAK THE CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT BETWEEN HIS OTHER PATIENTS TOO, THIS DOCTOR CAN'T BE TRUSTED!

But anyway, I don't want to believe DOUBTLY that just because she didn't acknowledge the doctor was making false belief of Mike's sexuality or the truth about it, I STILL BELIEVE THAT MIKE IS NOT GAY! :bleh And Liz is a genuine friend of Mike-- no doubt about this! And I have to respect her for that!

 

[oldschoolfan]

[quote name="Palmyra"]
If she doesn't think it's worth it, why won't she just stay quiet on the subject? We don't need more confusing comments about Michael. There's plenty of garbage the media uses...to use bring more unclear insinuations into this creates an even bigger lie.[/quote]

I'm quite sure Elizabeth wouldn't have intentionally said what she's said in an effort to make the situation worse. Maybe she thought if people are dumb enough to believe it proves Michael is gay then it's their own problem. If she was going to go all out and stand up for Michael because she thought it was worth something she probably would have released a statement or something.

[quote name="Palmyra"]
I know very well that Michael was not gay[/quote]

You seem to have quoted that more than once in a very matter of fact way, you were good friends with Michael then I presume?

The only problem I can see is that she gave people that would read her tweets the benefit of assuming they have 2 working brain cells & a little bit of logic.

Alijoy, please don't resort to insulting others on this board. It's not consistent with how things flow here. You can make your point without offending others.[/quote]

Do you not see the irony in that comment? You want Elizabeth to get nasty on the subject, and I quote ''Would it kill her to use explicit, clear language instead of sarcasm? We don't need giggles. We need outright language''. That's not the nicest thing to say about Elizabeth.
And Alijoy was not directing the comment at anyone in particular on this board.


If people don't like how Liz 'worded' it then I don't know, tell HER what you think? Otherwise saying 'she should have said this' 'she shouldn't have said this' is going to go nowhere.

 

[OneMoreChance]

As far as I can tell the only people who think that Liz's tweets "outed" Michael are the fans. I'm not seeing whole lot of "Liz Taylor Implies Michael Jackson is gay" from anyone other then fans. Make sense?

 

[oldschoolfan]

I agree, I have seen stories on the topic, but nothing saying Liz is confirming or hinting that Michael is gay through her messages.

 

[Saphster]

[quote name="Palmyra"]

If she doesn't think it's worth it, why won't she just stay quiet on the subject? We don't need more confusing comments about Michael. There's plenty of garbage the media uses...to use bring more unclear insinuations into this creates an even bigger lie.

For what it's worth, I never jumped on Elizabeth Taylor. I am critical of how she phrased her comment, but I have nothing against her. Michael was himself was terribly bad at communicating his thoughts, and Elizabeth just made things worse by using sarcasm. Would it kill her to use explicit, clear language instead of sarcasm? We don't need giggles. We need outright language.

[/quote]
Agreed. I'm not one for sarcasm. Especially at this point.

 

[Saphster]

[quote name="Palmyra"]

Her statement is self explanatory the only people freaking out are fans

No, it's not self-explanatory. I know very well that Michael was not gay, but there's no need for Elizabeth to suggest that Michael was gay. The priest analogy was absolutely horrible. It gives readers the impression that Michael confided in Klein that he was gay and that Klein broke this sense of trust. Why would she use a priest analogy if she wasn't suggesting that Michael shared his homosexuality with Klein? I've never been to a priest, but I am pretty sure people confide their worries, concerns, and secrets (i.e., the truth) in priests.

If Michael us all he was not gay shouldn't that be the end of it?

It's the end of it for me, but Elizabeth created more seeds of doubt for others.

The only problem I can see is that she gave people that would read her tweets the benefit of assuming they have 2 working brain cells & a little bit of logic.

Alijoy, please don't resort to insulting others on this board. It's not consistent with how things flow here. You can make your point without offending others.

Her sarcasm was clever.

No, it wasn't. She threw in a bad analogy to make matters worse.

It's just sad that even some fans don't get it.

We shouldn't have to "get it." She can just state her thoughts in direct terms.[/quote]

Exactly. How the hell was I suppose to know she was being sarcastic on something she wrote on the f-ckin internet? I would only know if I was in the same room she was in when she 'tweeted' this. Am I stupid for that? Well then if other people believe so then I guess I'm as dumb as they come.

Her sarcasm was NOT clever at all. Not everyone will know what sarcasm over a freakin "TWEET" is.

What fuels my anger is the FANS that can't seem to grasp this. I think Elizabeth should have said something different. I have the right to stand to my opinion. Am I calling Elizabeth stupid or calling her out for saying what she said? No. In fact I AM being called stupid and overly dramatic for not being able to laugh along and understand her 'tweet' just because she is Elizabeth Taylor Michael Jackson's 'only' true friend. (OH yeah that last line was sarcasm btw for people who aren't SMART enough to understand that. You know...like some fans said the same about people like me.) I'm just bothered at the way she worded it and just couldn't say anything in plain truth without any humor behind it. But, I'm not causing a riot over it. And I'm not going back on my word or my opinion. I think she could have said something much better. Who cares if other people wouldn't believe her? I would care. Fans would care. We count the most in Michael's world.

 

[Alijoy]

[quote name="oldschoolfan"]I'm quite sure Elizabeth wouldn't have intentionally said what she's said in an effort to make the situation worse. Maybe she thought if people are dumb enough to believe it proves Michael is gay then it's their own problem. If she was going to go all out and stand up for Michael because she thought it was worth something she probably would have released a statement or something.
Do you not see the irony in that comment? You want Elizabeth to get nasty on the subject, and I quote ''Would it kill her to use explicit, clear language instead of sarcasm? We don't need giggles. We need outright language''. That's not the nicest thing to say about Elizabeth.
And Alijoy was not directing the comment at anyone in particular on this board.
If people don't like how Liz 'worded' it then I don't know, tell HER what you think? Otherwise saying 'she should have said this' 'she shouldn't have said this' is going to go nowhere.[/quote]
Thank you for this, oldschoolfan; particularly the bolded part. I guess I just don't understand why what Elizabeth's point isn't obvious. This is exactly the kind of response I would expect from her.

 

[OneMoreChance]

[quote name="Saphster"]

Her statement is self explanatory the only people freaking out are fans

Exactly. How the hell was I suppose to know she was being sarcastic on something she wrote on the f-ckin internet? I would only know if I was in the same room she was in when she 'tweeted' this. Am I stupid for that? Well then if other people believe so then I guess I'm as dumb as they come.

Her sarcasm was NOT clever at all. Not everyone will know what sarcasm over a freakin "TWEET" is.

What fuels my anger is the FANS that can't seem to grasp this. I think Elizabeth should have said something different. I have the right to stand to my opinion. Am I calling Elizabeth stupid or calling her out for saying what she said? No. In fact I AM being called stupid and overly dramatic for not being able to laugh along and understand her 'tweet' just because she is Elizabeth Taylor Michael Jackson's 'only' true friend. (OH yeah that last line was sarcasm btw for people who aren't SMART enough to understand that. You know...like some fans said the same about people like me.) I'm just bothered at the way she worded it and just couldn't say anything in plain truth without any humor behind it. But, I'm not causing a riot over it. And I'm not going back on my word or my opinion. I think she could have said something much better. Who cares if other people wouldn't believe her? I would care. Fans would care. We count the most in Michael's world.[/quote]

Saph, the only people that are freaking out over this are the fans. I have seen several articles about Liz's tweets and not a single article comes to the conclusion that Liz was suggesting this. Even TMZ didn't and we know that TMz is not nice when it comes to Michael.

We do count most in Michael's world and if the rest of the world didn't think that LIz's tweets suggested that they will if they find out that Michael's own fans are questioning what she said. Right now the fans are turning this into something way bigger then it needs to be....again.

P.S. I hate the way the quoting works now.....

 

[MJJLEGACY58]

Very, true I haven't read an article that says liz was suggesting what Kelin said was the truth! I am only getting that from some fans who are so paranoid because of all the crap that been said about MJ in the past! I get that but, don't take what she DIDN'T say and twist it! :chillpill And let this story DIE already, please!

 

[Palmyra]

You seem to have quoted that more than once in a very matter of fact way, you were good friends with Michael then I presume?

Yes, very good friends (in my dreams). No, but seriously, I say this because Michael said so himself.

But on another level, I keep repeating myself to preempt others from telling me something I already know.

Do you not see the irony in that comment?

No, I don't. It might be conceivably ironic if I insulted others while I asked another member not to do this, but I didn't insult anyone here. And I didn't insult Elizabeth Taylor either. I like her very much, because she's been consistently on Michael's side. A few months ago, I saw an Elizabeth Taylor headline in the news, and I quickly became worried something may have happened to her. I care so much about Michael, it strangely extends to those he cared about as well.

That's not the nicest thing to say about Elizabeth.

On this board, I have previously mentioned that Elizabeth should set the record straight on a number of issues related to Michael (not specifically the homosexuality thing)...not for my own reasons, but for those who don't otherwise care that much about Michael. Asking her to set the record straight on anything is not insulting her. I have not and would never insult her. I don't do that to Michael's people.

And Alijoy was not directing the comment at anyone in particular on this board.

He/she is being very condescending.

Am I stupid for that? Well then if other people believe so then I guess I'm as dumb as they come.

Don't worry about it, Saph. No one is stupid here; it's just that someone on this board is being unnecessarily disrespectful.