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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8193054 so is she no longer his spokes person or does she still have her job? :idontknow
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Jury Deliberations - Official thread NOT GUILTY!
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HeavenSent
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Oh god, please no more 'talk of the town' , 'well I have a feeling today's the day' business.
I learned my lesson.
I learned my lesson.
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LOL ...
hot4uMichael
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I do that all the time, I try to remain calmness but it's very difficult when people are assuming he is already in jail.... but I'll do my best
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The reason Raymone Bain was fired; plus confusing jury instructions; hackers spread suicide rumors.
June 13, 2005
*Michael Jackson’s jury goes into its seventh day of deliberations today in his child molestation case as debris continues to fall from the explosion of drama this past weekend involving the firing of his spokesperson Raymone Bain, the budding anti-Jesse Jackson movement, Michael’s whereabouts and a new e-mail sent by hackers that claims the superstar committed suicide.
First up, a statement suddenly popped up on Jackson’s web site at 6 p.m. Saturday that read: “MJJ Productions regretfully announces the termination of Raymone Bain and Davis, Bain & Associates. We thank you for your services.”
Sources close to Bain told Fox News that she found out about the firing when a reporter called and told her he’d seen it on the web site. In response, Bain had originally told the Associated Press in a phone interview that she was still employed and works directly for Jackson, not for MJJ Productions, and only Jackson himself was authorized to give her the pink slip.
Her firing was eventually confirmed in a letter sent to Bain’s Santa Maria Holiday Inn hotel room, but her efforts to reach Jackson personally for confirmation were unsuccessful, according to Fox News’ Roger Friedman, who later reported that Bain checked out of her hotel room yesterday at 3 a.m. and hopped on a plane back to her home base in Washington D.C.
The whole Bain business started last Wednesday night when Jackson’s lead attorney Thomas Mesereau issued a court-approved statement on Jackson’s web site saying he had not authorized anyone to speak on Jackson's behalf. The statement capped a day that included morning show interviews with the singer’s “spiritual advisor” Rev. Jesse Jackson, and a courthouse press conference held by Bain in which she affirmed that all of her meetings with the media were authorized by Mesereau.
“If Mr. Mesereau didn’t want me here I would be here, so don’t listen to so many rumors,” she told reporters Wednesday. “I never speak to the media without talking to Tom Mesereau because I understand, quite unlike many of you, that this is a very serious situation. And so therefore, if I had not spoken to our team, I would not be here as I have not done in the past.”
It was this statement that led directly to Bain’s undoing, according to Los Angeles-based activist Najee Ali. Citing a source inside the Jackson camp, he tells EUR: “She’d made a comment saying she was cleared by Thomas Mesereau. Thomas Mesereau got upset because there’s a gag order. And it could’ve been perceived that Mesereau was using Raymone to violate the gag order. And with Michael’s life in the balance, he decided to issue a statement that he didn’t want anyone talking about the case.”
Ali believes that Rev. Jackson’s comments about Michael during three media sessions he held last week “opened the door” for Bain’s removal.
“Raymone and Jesse aren’t under the gag order, but clearly it caused a great concern to Michael’s lawyers and the supporters who’ve been involved from day one that any comment could hurt Michael negatively because the jury is not sequestered,” Ali says.
Although it had been reported that Rev. Jackson was personally invited to speak for Michael by the singer and his family, Ali says it’s simply not true.
“Jesse came to Santa Maria on his own, and based on his long relationship with the family, Mesereau didn’t turn him away,” explains Ali. “But they didn’t want Jesse holding any press conferences or making any statements, which is why Mesereau issued his statement. It was issued against Jesse, everybody knows it. It wasn’t for Raymone Bain, but it applied to her, though,” because she happened to speak that Wednesday after Rev. Jackson conducted his unauthorized press conference.
Ali says a coalition of Michael’s fan club members and supporters are holding a press conference today at 9 a.m. outside of the Santa Maria court house to urge Rev. Jackson to refrain from granting any more interviews about the entertainer. Aside from allegedly influencing the Bain firing, Ali believes a second cause of concern with Rev. Jackson is his quickness to squeeze the issue of race into high profile cases regarding black subjects.
“We’re not sure what Jesse would do and Michael Jackson’s life is at stake,” says Ali. “Rev. Jackson does have the stigma as someone who will play the race card and because the jury’s not sequestered, we’re concerned that race will play a factor in the jury’s final deliberations.”
Fox News reported that Michael’s brother Randy, who runs MJJ Productions and its web site, is the one who actually fired Bain, and did so in a move to reestablish some sort of control in his brother’s circle after he was reportedly relieved of all financial responsibilities last week. The statement regarding Bain’s firing that appeared on Jackson’s web site was written by Randy’s girlfriend, Taunya Ziklie, who Ali says is responsible for all editorial and technical maintenance of the MJJ web site.
“From my information, Mesereau told Randy to fire Raymone, and Randy followed suit,” Ali says. “Randy didn’t do it on his own. Randy had authority to pull the trigger, and that’s why Raymone said in her [response to AP] that she doesn’t work for MJJ,” she works directly for Michael.
But little did she know that it was in fact Michael’s only true mouthpiece, Tom Mesereau, who let her go, not MJJ, according to Ali. Our calls to Bain’s office and cell number for comment were not returned as of press time.
As for Rev. Jackson, Ali and the fan club members aren’t the only factions upset with the Rainbow/PUSH leader. Apparently, many of the fans who have kept vigil from day one outside of the courthouse took offense to him rolling up in a limousine Hollywood style and making a bee line to the Media Village for interviews without as much as a head nod in their direction. Also, a source has told us that members of Rev. Jackson’s own family are perplexed that he would spend an entire week in California on behalf of Michael Jackson, but did not make a single effort to visit his daughter, who lives in the Los Angeles area with her mother — and Jackson’s former mistress — Karin Stanford.
Raymone K. Bain & Rev Jesse Jackson
As if the Raymone/Jesse ordeal isn’t enough, there have also been conflicting reports about Jackson’s exact whereabouts. Fox is reporting that his phone at Neverland is said to have a "do not disturb" block on it, and that he and his children and their nanny may have gone to a local hotel out of fear that the ranch is “bugged” with listening devices.
On the jury front, AP is reporting that the jurors may have to reach as many as 20 separate decisions because of the complicated 98-page instructions given to them by the judge.
Jackson, 46, is charged with molesting a 13-year-old boy in 2003, giving him wine and conspiring to hold the child and his family captive at Neverland to rebut a damaging television documentary. The conspiracy count alone contains three other allegations - conspiracy to commit the crime of extortion, the crime of child abduction and the crime of false imprisonment. Each of those crimes requires a specific intent and must be decided individually by the jury.
Jurors also have been presented with several entirely separate determinations to make on alleged crimes by Jackson that were never charged and occurred up to 15 years ago. A California law lets jurors decide whether evidence involving those old allegations that was presented during trial shows a pattern of abusing children. If the jury decides the old claims were true, the panel can use them to support a decision in the current case but cannot convict him of the old allegations.
In reaching that determination, jurors were instructed to use a different standard of proof - not the beyond-a-reasonable-doubt standard required in the current case. Instead they can decide whether the old allegations stand up by a "preponderance of the evidence," a lesser standard that is often used in civil cases.
Beyond the specific crimes alleged in Jackson’s conspiracy charge, the count also alleges 28 "overt acts" in furtherance of the conspiracy with a group of unindicted co-conspirators. To find Jackson guilty of that count, the panel must decide unanimously that one or more of the overt acts is true. Jurors were told to decide if Jackson was a member of the alleged conspiracy and "whether he willfully, intentionally and knowingly joined with any other or others in the alleged conspiracy."
One particularly confusing instruction reads, "You are not required to unanimously agree as to who committed an overt act or which overt act was committed, so long as each of you finds beyond a reasonable doubt that one of the conspirators committed one of the acts alleged in the indictment to be overt acts."
With such verbiage, it’ll be a miracle if we get a verdict by the end of the month. In the meantime, hackers in Amsterdam are taking advantage of the myriad of rumors surrounding Jackson’s activities while the jury is out. The cyber-crooks are reportedly trying to break into computers through bogus e-mails claiming the singer tried to commit suicide, a British anti-virus firm told Reuters Friday.
Security software specialists at Sophos say the e-mails come with the subject line "Re: Suicidal attempt" and the message text: "Last night, while in his Neverland Ranch, Michael Jackson has made a suicidal attempt.”
E-mail recipients are then asked to click on a link that takes them to a Web site which secretly installs malicious code on their computers.
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June 13, 2005
*Michael Jackson’s jury goes into its seventh day of deliberations today in his child molestation case as debris continues to fall from the explosion of drama this past weekend involving the firing of his spokesperson Raymone Bain, the budding anti-Jesse Jackson movement, Michael’s whereabouts and a new e-mail sent by hackers that claims the superstar committed suicide.
First up, a statement suddenly popped up on Jackson’s web site at 6 p.m. Saturday that read: “MJJ Productions regretfully announces the termination of Raymone Bain and Davis, Bain & Associates. We thank you for your services.”
Sources close to Bain told Fox News that she found out about the firing when a reporter called and told her he’d seen it on the web site. In response, Bain had originally told the Associated Press in a phone interview that she was still employed and works directly for Jackson, not for MJJ Productions, and only Jackson himself was authorized to give her the pink slip.
Her firing was eventually confirmed in a letter sent to Bain’s Santa Maria Holiday Inn hotel room, but her efforts to reach Jackson personally for confirmation were unsuccessful, according to Fox News’ Roger Friedman, who later reported that Bain checked out of her hotel room yesterday at 3 a.m. and hopped on a plane back to her home base in Washington D.C.
The whole Bain business started last Wednesday night when Jackson’s lead attorney Thomas Mesereau issued a court-approved statement on Jackson’s web site saying he had not authorized anyone to speak on Jackson's behalf. The statement capped a day that included morning show interviews with the singer’s “spiritual advisor” Rev. Jesse Jackson, and a courthouse press conference held by Bain in which she affirmed that all of her meetings with the media were authorized by Mesereau.
“If Mr. Mesereau didn’t want me here I would be here, so don’t listen to so many rumors,” she told reporters Wednesday. “I never speak to the media without talking to Tom Mesereau because I understand, quite unlike many of you, that this is a very serious situation. And so therefore, if I had not spoken to our team, I would not be here as I have not done in the past.”
It was this statement that led directly to Bain’s undoing, according to Los Angeles-based activist Najee Ali. Citing a source inside the Jackson camp, he tells EUR: “She’d made a comment saying she was cleared by Thomas Mesereau. Thomas Mesereau got upset because there’s a gag order. And it could’ve been perceived that Mesereau was using Raymone to violate the gag order. And with Michael’s life in the balance, he decided to issue a statement that he didn’t want anyone talking about the case.”
Ali believes that Rev. Jackson’s comments about Michael during three media sessions he held last week “opened the door” for Bain’s removal.
“Raymone and Jesse aren’t under the gag order, but clearly it caused a great concern to Michael’s lawyers and the supporters who’ve been involved from day one that any comment could hurt Michael negatively because the jury is not sequestered,” Ali says.
Although it had been reported that Rev. Jackson was personally invited to speak for Michael by the singer and his family, Ali says it’s simply not true.
“Jesse came to Santa Maria on his own, and based on his long relationship with the family, Mesereau didn’t turn him away,” explains Ali. “But they didn’t want Jesse holding any press conferences or making any statements, which is why Mesereau issued his statement. It was issued against Jesse, everybody knows it. It wasn’t for Raymone Bain, but it applied to her, though,” because she happened to speak that Wednesday after Rev. Jackson conducted his unauthorized press conference.
Ali says a coalition of Michael’s fan club members and supporters are holding a press conference today at 9 a.m. outside of the Santa Maria court house to urge Rev. Jackson to refrain from granting any more interviews about the entertainer. Aside from allegedly influencing the Bain firing, Ali believes a second cause of concern with Rev. Jackson is his quickness to squeeze the issue of race into high profile cases regarding black subjects.
“We’re not sure what Jesse would do and Michael Jackson’s life is at stake,” says Ali. “Rev. Jackson does have the stigma as someone who will play the race card and because the jury’s not sequestered, we’re concerned that race will play a factor in the jury’s final deliberations.”
Fox News reported that Michael’s brother Randy, who runs MJJ Productions and its web site, is the one who actually fired Bain, and did so in a move to reestablish some sort of control in his brother’s circle after he was reportedly relieved of all financial responsibilities last week. The statement regarding Bain’s firing that appeared on Jackson’s web site was written by Randy’s girlfriend, Taunya Ziklie, who Ali says is responsible for all editorial and technical maintenance of the MJJ web site.
“From my information, Mesereau told Randy to fire Raymone, and Randy followed suit,” Ali says. “Randy didn’t do it on his own. Randy had authority to pull the trigger, and that’s why Raymone said in her [response to AP] that she doesn’t work for MJJ,” she works directly for Michael.
But little did she know that it was in fact Michael’s only true mouthpiece, Tom Mesereau, who let her go, not MJJ, according to Ali. Our calls to Bain’s office and cell number for comment were not returned as of press time.
As for Rev. Jackson, Ali and the fan club members aren’t the only factions upset with the Rainbow/PUSH leader. Apparently, many of the fans who have kept vigil from day one outside of the courthouse took offense to him rolling up in a limousine Hollywood style and making a bee line to the Media Village for interviews without as much as a head nod in their direction. Also, a source has told us that members of Rev. Jackson’s own family are perplexed that he would spend an entire week in California on behalf of Michael Jackson, but did not make a single effort to visit his daughter, who lives in the Los Angeles area with her mother — and Jackson’s former mistress — Karin Stanford.
Raymone K. Bain & Rev Jesse Jackson
As if the Raymone/Jesse ordeal isn’t enough, there have also been conflicting reports about Jackson’s exact whereabouts. Fox is reporting that his phone at Neverland is said to have a "do not disturb" block on it, and that he and his children and their nanny may have gone to a local hotel out of fear that the ranch is “bugged” with listening devices.
On the jury front, AP is reporting that the jurors may have to reach as many as 20 separate decisions because of the complicated 98-page instructions given to them by the judge.
Jackson, 46, is charged with molesting a 13-year-old boy in 2003, giving him wine and conspiring to hold the child and his family captive at Neverland to rebut a damaging television documentary. The conspiracy count alone contains three other allegations - conspiracy to commit the crime of extortion, the crime of child abduction and the crime of false imprisonment. Each of those crimes requires a specific intent and must be decided individually by the jury.
Jurors also have been presented with several entirely separate determinations to make on alleged crimes by Jackson that were never charged and occurred up to 15 years ago. A California law lets jurors decide whether evidence involving those old allegations that was presented during trial shows a pattern of abusing children. If the jury decides the old claims were true, the panel can use them to support a decision in the current case but cannot convict him of the old allegations.
In reaching that determination, jurors were instructed to use a different standard of proof - not the beyond-a-reasonable-doubt standard required in the current case. Instead they can decide whether the old allegations stand up by a "preponderance of the evidence," a lesser standard that is often used in civil cases.
Beyond the specific crimes alleged in Jackson’s conspiracy charge, the count also alleges 28 "overt acts" in furtherance of the conspiracy with a group of unindicted co-conspirators. To find Jackson guilty of that count, the panel must decide unanimously that one or more of the overt acts is true. Jurors were told to decide if Jackson was a member of the alleged conspiracy and "whether he willfully, intentionally and knowingly joined with any other or others in the alleged conspiracy."
One particularly confusing instruction reads, "You are not required to unanimously agree as to who committed an overt act or which overt act was committed, so long as each of you finds beyond a reasonable doubt that one of the conspirators committed one of the acts alleged in the indictment to be overt acts."
With such verbiage, it’ll be a miracle if we get a verdict by the end of the month. In the meantime, hackers in Amsterdam are taking advantage of the myriad of rumors surrounding Jackson’s activities while the jury is out. The cyber-crooks are reportedly trying to break into computers through bogus e-mails claiming the singer tried to commit suicide, a British anti-virus firm told Reuters Friday.
Security software specialists at Sophos say the e-mails come with the subject line "Re: Suicidal attempt" and the message text: "Last night, while in his Neverland Ranch, Michael Jackson has made a suicidal attempt.”
E-mail recipients are then asked to click on a link that takes them to a Web site which secretly installs malicious code on their computers.
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hot4uMichael
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thanks for posting this news
[highlight=#ffff66]court tv: Lawyers are meeting with the judge along with the pool coordinator.[/highlight]
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For the longest time, I was like pool? Who's pool?Originally posted by whisper
[highlight=#ffff66]court tv: Lawyers are meeting with the judge along with the pool coordinator.[/highlight]
Now I get it, Jury Pool. :laugh
Maybe they'll kick off that lady with the impending book deal.
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Air date: June 13 2005
David F
-says he has a problem with 1108 and the way prosecutors used it in this "case"
-says 1108 was abused by prosecutors in this "case"
-says in every instance Melville has had to exercise his discretion, he's ruled in favor of the prosecution
-says he hasn't even been down the line on this one
-says everything Melville thought he could get away with, he's favored the prosecution
-say that bothers him, especially considering the incendiary allegations.
David F
-says he has a problem with 1108 and the way prosecutors used it in this "case"
-says 1108 was abused by prosecutors in this "case"
-says in every instance Melville has had to exercise his discretion, he's ruled in favor of the prosecution
-says he hasn't even been down the line on this one
-says everything Melville thought he could get away with, he's favored the prosecution
-say that bothers him, especially considering the incendiary allegations.
CNN is talking shit again how this isnt looking good at all but I agree with the one CNN reporter.
"There is too much time on our hands and not enough information to report which isnt fair"
They mentioned how there are 2000 journalists there and alot is being made up. no shit.
"There is too much time on our hands and not enough information to report which isnt fair"
They mentioned how there are 2000 journalists there and alot is being made up. no shit.
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I wish everyone would just shut up until they can say 'A verdict has been reached'. There is only so much you can day w/o being redundant.
SHUSH!
SHUSH!
HeavenSent
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I knew this was going to happen. No news=diaharrea of the mouth.
It's always like this.
It's always like this.
HeavenSent
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thx for the clip whisper. Who's David F.? Has he been on there before?
Originally posted by whisper
[highlight=#ffff66]court tv: Lawyers are meeting with the judge along with the pool coordinator.[/highlight]
^What does this mean? I wonder what's going on here.
[highlight=#ffff66]MSNBC: Jury has reached a verdict[/highlight]
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