Official April 13 2005 Thread
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Right now, the jury has been cleared out of the coutroom and they're going to take up the issue of welfare fraud. Janet Arvizo's criminal-minded ass wants to plead the 5th just on the welfare fraud, but that's unconstitutional. If you plead the 5th, you don't get to pick and choose what you plead the 5th to.
senecajackson
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What a hottie!
What's happening @ the moment?
What's happening @ the moment?
classicaldj
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She was allowed to receive the money, she just was supposed to put in in a bank account of her own.
Instead she put it in her boyfriends bank account.
SpAnKeY SmArTaSs post Today, 11:48 AM at MJJF
according to reporter Ann Bremner:
Janet is indeed pleading the 5th.
She will not be given immunity.
Bremner saying Judge can disallow her testimony, or strike her testimony (Bremner saying these are highly unlikey)
Bremner saying defense can ask for a mistrial based on these new developments.
That defense can say they cant properly question her if she is pleadin the 5th.
according to reporter Ann Bremner:
Janet is indeed pleading the 5th.
She will not be given immunity.
Bremner saying Judge can disallow her testimony, or strike her testimony (Bremner saying these are highly unlikey)
Bremner saying defense can ask for a mistrial based on these new developments.
That defense can say they cant properly question her if she is pleadin the 5th.
hot4uMichael
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Ok this is insane .... I dont get her shit anymore I dont just get it ... what is happening now?
BTW michael looks hot and he looks a bit sad
BTW michael looks hot and he looks a bit sad
SpAnKeY SmArTaSs post Today, 11:56 AM at MJJF
Reporter Jim Moret:
"She is being hung out to dry by the DA" laugh.gif
She is out there on her own regarding the welfare fraud.
Jim is saying Jay testified that he didnt know about JCPenny, her accounts or none of that!
Jim Moret is saying this is coming apart at the seams.
Pattern of fraud.
Jim also mentioned defense having a right to ask for mistrial, if they cant question her like they need to.
Reporter Jim Moret:
"She is being hung out to dry by the DA" laugh.gif
She is out there on her own regarding the welfare fraud.
Jim is saying Jay testified that he didnt know about JCPenny, her accounts or none of that!
Jim Moret is saying this is coming apart at the seams.
Pattern of fraud.
Jim also mentioned defense having a right to ask for mistrial, if they cant question her like they need to.
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Jackson Accuser's Mother Pleads the Fifth
5 minutes ago Entertainment - AP Music
By TIM MOLLOY, Associated Press Writer
SANTA MARIA, Calif. - The mother of Michael Jackson's accuser took the stand outside the jury's presence Wednesday and immediately invoked her Fifth Amendment right to not testify about welfare payments she has received.
AP Photo
Defense attorneys have raised questions about the woman's credibility, accusing her of bilking celebrities and committing welfare fraud. District Attorney Thomas Sneddon said in opening statements that the woman would admit she took welfare payments to which she was not entitled.
Judge Rodney S. Melville told jurors before the mother took the stand that the woman would testify, but that he would first hold a hearing out of their presence. The mother was then sworn in and told Senior Deputy District Attorney Ron Zonen that she would invoke her right to protect herself from self-incrimination.
Wednesday's hearing ended weeks of speculation about when prosecutors would call the woman to testify – and whether she would testify at all. Defense attorneys have tried to turn the focus of the case from Jackson to the boy's mother, alleging that she orchestrated a scheme to have her son falsely accuse Jackson of molestation in order to get money from the singer.
Zonen told the judge he understood the woman would answer all questions except those relating to her welfare application and her receipt of payments.
Melville then had the woman assert her privilege and state in her own words what she would refuse to discuss.
"Everything to do with the welfare application," she said.
Defense attorneys contend the woman should not be allowed to take the stand at all if she refuses to testify about the welfare payments. But the fact that the judge told jurors the woman would be next to take the stand – and identified her by name – suggests he has already decided to allow her testimony, said legal analyst Anne Bremner, a former prosecutor who is watching the trial.
The alleged welfare fraud occurred in Los Angeles County, where the mother lived. Testifying that she took payments she wasn't entitled to could open the possibility of a criminal investigation. But charges would not be filed until welfare officials completed an investigation, said Sandi Gibbons, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County district attorney's office.
Santa Barbara County prosecutors could ask their Los Angeles counterparts to grant her immunity from prosecution in exchange for her testimony in the Jackson case, Bremner said.
Wednesday's hearing came as the prosecution shifted from witnesses who alleged past improprieties by Jackson back to the current allegations that the singer molested a 13-year-old boy in February or March 2003, gave him alcohol, and conspired to hold his family captive to get them to rebut a damaging documentary.
Earlier in the day, the stepfather of Jackson's accuser denied under cross-examination that he once told police he did not believe the boy's mother was in danger as she left the entertainer's Neverland Ranch.
The stepfather testified that the boy's mother seemed distressed when she called from Neverland several times in February 2003, when the two were dating.
He said that after one call, he told he told police the woman would be leaving Neverland and wanted to know if officers could intercept the car that was bringing her back to the Los Angeles area. Police told him they couldn't do that, he said.
Defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. noted that a police report said he told an officer he did not believe the mother was in any danger.
"I am denying saying that," the stepfather testified.
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AP Special Correspondent Linda Deutsch contributed to this report.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...hael_jackson_38
Dumb ****.
5 minutes ago Entertainment - AP Music
By TIM MOLLOY, Associated Press Writer
SANTA MARIA, Calif. - The mother of Michael Jackson's accuser took the stand outside the jury's presence Wednesday and immediately invoked her Fifth Amendment right to not testify about welfare payments she has received.
AP Photo
Defense attorneys have raised questions about the woman's credibility, accusing her of bilking celebrities and committing welfare fraud. District Attorney Thomas Sneddon said in opening statements that the woman would admit she took welfare payments to which she was not entitled.
Judge Rodney S. Melville told jurors before the mother took the stand that the woman would testify, but that he would first hold a hearing out of their presence. The mother was then sworn in and told Senior Deputy District Attorney Ron Zonen that she would invoke her right to protect herself from self-incrimination.
Wednesday's hearing ended weeks of speculation about when prosecutors would call the woman to testify – and whether she would testify at all. Defense attorneys have tried to turn the focus of the case from Jackson to the boy's mother, alleging that she orchestrated a scheme to have her son falsely accuse Jackson of molestation in order to get money from the singer.
Zonen told the judge he understood the woman would answer all questions except those relating to her welfare application and her receipt of payments.
Melville then had the woman assert her privilege and state in her own words what she would refuse to discuss.
"Everything to do with the welfare application," she said.
Defense attorneys contend the woman should not be allowed to take the stand at all if she refuses to testify about the welfare payments. But the fact that the judge told jurors the woman would be next to take the stand – and identified her by name – suggests he has already decided to allow her testimony, said legal analyst Anne Bremner, a former prosecutor who is watching the trial.
The alleged welfare fraud occurred in Los Angeles County, where the mother lived. Testifying that she took payments she wasn't entitled to could open the possibility of a criminal investigation. But charges would not be filed until welfare officials completed an investigation, said Sandi Gibbons, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County district attorney's office.
Santa Barbara County prosecutors could ask their Los Angeles counterparts to grant her immunity from prosecution in exchange for her testimony in the Jackson case, Bremner said.
Wednesday's hearing came as the prosecution shifted from witnesses who alleged past improprieties by Jackson back to the current allegations that the singer molested a 13-year-old boy in February or March 2003, gave him alcohol, and conspired to hold his family captive to get them to rebut a damaging documentary.
Earlier in the day, the stepfather of Jackson's accuser denied under cross-examination that he once told police he did not believe the boy's mother was in danger as she left the entertainer's Neverland Ranch.
The stepfather testified that the boy's mother seemed distressed when she called from Neverland several times in February 2003, when the two were dating.
He said that after one call, he told he told police the woman would be leaving Neverland and wanted to know if officers could intercept the car that was bringing her back to the Los Angeles area. Police told him they couldn't do that, he said.
Defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. noted that a police report said he told an officer he did not believe the mother was in any danger.
"I am denying saying that," the stepfather testified.
____
AP Special Correspondent Linda Deutsch contributed to this report.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...hael_jackson_38
Dumb ****.
That's not the whole story. She had the settlement with JCPenneys and did not report that as income because it would have disqualified her from welfare. There is speculation that even when she began to shack up with the Major, she did not report his income either.
Nice lady. Your tax dollars at work! :extremely
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Is she that revolting? I'm sorry MJ.
hot4uMichael
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Oh no.... I am so sorry Michael ... ***HUGS YOU***
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So what is this shit? I thought you can't pick and chose what you want to plead the 5th to.
sistahlamb
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Ok so she won't have to address the welfare thing.
But the defence has so much more dirt on her than just that.
Here is a pretty lenghy summery from MJ-Case.net that examines the mother's grand jury testimony and how her account of what happened doesn't really make alot of sense at all.
http://www.mj-case.net/testimony.html
Enjoy.
But the defence has so much more dirt on her than just that.
Here is a pretty lenghy summery from MJ-Case.net that examines the mother's grand jury testimony and how her account of what happened doesn't really make alot of sense at all.
http://www.mj-case.net/testimony.html
Enjoy.
hot4uMichael
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OH MY GOD this is ****ing insane I am so mad
classicaldj
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Right. I guess I forgot some important parts of the story. Thanks
hot4uMichael
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We'll see what happens
well the welfare thing is like 1% of all the lies she ever told....LOL...so the defense has PLENTY to work with, especially the JCPenny thing where she will have to admit that she is the one that told her children to lie...remember how all kids said they didnt remember who told them to lie! loll....I think the defense can ask her, but she will not answer, and that looks worse than any answer!