Official April 15, 2005

sistahlamb

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All this recent stuff about the mother's testimony today is all great news and all, but I haven't heard that much about he survailance tapes that were shown to the jury.
I have heard that the reason why her furniture had to be taken out of her apartment was because of a lousy bug problem.

Keep the updates comin!!!
 

teshia

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Yeah all those pro-prosecution reporters are getting real uptight now
they all seem to be all mad and making faces at each other but when
The truth comes out and they still don't want to hear it!

Yes, I stopped TiVo-ing the daytime shows, because I was really getting very, very upset and
emotionally messed up, watching poor Michael have to go through this. But, because
the mother is on the stand, I have TiVo-ed ALL of the shows! It also helps with commercials
and other court cases. In a 2 hour show, maybe 20 minutes are dedicated to MJ.

Anyway I
know Mike's gonna do great on the stand, the jurors will love him and
they'll probably notice that unlike the prosecution's witnesses he's
telling the truth!

MJ is going to take the stand! Are you kidding me?

Oh and this is for diane diamonds whorish ass: hope
she enjoys kissing MJ's butt after this case is over and he sues her
for slander! Go Mez! Kick fat ugly sneddumbs butt!

Do you think she's still slandering him? From what I've seen, they are not
neutral, but in expressing your own opinion, you have the 1st Amendment.

I think she was sued before because she's the one who said that she has
DEFINITELY seen the love letters between Gavin and Michael. Well, they
DON'T EXIST!

This is all about Michael being black. I don't care if his skin is white, he
is a black man, and certainly comes from a black family. I'm sure
that's part of why Sneddon is doing this.
 
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On another note.. I believe that mesereau is doing a fantastic job :)[/QUOTE]

Absolutely agree with it. He is a fantastic lawyer. I wonder if the prosecution could take her on the stand for almost two days so will he be able to proceed with the cross on Monday for example or will he be obliged to finish with it today? I'd love the jury to hear everything he has on her! :writing:
 

teshia

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does anybody heard the Justicesystme.net report?
I hear Geraldo told them that HE WAS SHUT DOWN by FOX for telling the truth.. claiming Geraldo was not being Impartial

I knew it. Geraldo stoped talking cuz they MADE HIM STOP
 

LeVer2k2

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Originally posted by teshia
does anybody heard the Justicesystme.net report?
I hear Geraldo told them that HE WAS SHUT DOWN by FOX for telling the truth.. claiming Geraldo was not being Impartial

I knew it. Geraldo stoped talking cuz they MADE HIM STOP

What the...?! The news coverage with this case seems more corrupt than it was with the presidential election.
 

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QUOTE(CherubimII @ Apr 15 2005)

980 AM KFWB Radio News Report

Mother admitted she lied on her JC Penny lawsuit deposition.
She testified she didn't know how much money
she or her children received from the settlement of
the JC Penny lawsuit. She said she thought she
received $32,000; but TMez supplied the court
with the evidence that they received much more.

Mother stated that her husband David never abused
her or her children.
Reporter said "She is imploding on the stand."
 

HeavenSent

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Originally posted by teshia
From DD:

MJ has pushed his chair back and is watching the witness closely and he's not smiling and hasn't taken his eyes off her.

DD spoke to a witness, and states she shouldn't have done it, but the witness told her that MJ did the same thing when this witness was on the stand, and the witness found it un-nerving.
Whoo! Why do I get tingly reading that?!
 
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Mother stated that her husband David never abused her or her children.

WTF? Is that certain she said that?!

That's grounds for him to get custody back.
 
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Jackson judge threatens to close court
Accuser's mother, singer's attorney have combative exchange
Friday, April 15, 2005 Posted: 4:21 PM EDT (2021 GMT)

SANTA MARIA, California (CNN) -- Exchanges between the mother of Michael Jackson's accuser and the pop star's lead defense attorney were so combative Friday that the judge threatened to end court for the day after listening to hours of sniping between the witness and lawyer.

"Do you want me to shut the trial down this afternoon?" Santa Barbara County Superior Court Judge Rodney Melville said after one exchange between the prosecution and defense over the woman's testimony. "You are not to engage in this kind of interaction with each other, or the witness."

Throughout defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr.'s grilling of the mother, she sparred with him, frequently addressing jurors directly to offer her unsolicited, and unvarnished, opinions about Jackson's lead lawyer.

After Melville struck a comment she made about her faithful religious observance, she turned to the jury, pointed at Mesereau and said, "He doesn't want you to know."

"Two years I've been waiting for this," she said.

The defense, too, has been waiting for a chance to question the accuser's mother, portraying her as the greedy villain at the hub of the child molestation allegations against the entertainer.

Challenged by Mesereau about why she was still praising Jackson at a time in February 2003 when she says she and her family were under siege from his associates, she insisted that at the time she was "still clueless" and thought Jackson was "still a good guy."

"Now I know that Neverland is all about booze, pornography and sex with boys," she said -- a remark that also was stricken. Neverland Ranch is Jackson's estate where the boy alleges the singer molested him.

In another contentious exchange, the mother told Mesereau that she had done an "inadequate" job on a videotape rebutting a damaging documentary that Jackson's camp wanted her to make because "I'm a poor actress."

"I think you're a good one," Mesereau retorted -- prompting Melville to tell the attorney that he expected more professional conduct. Melville also told the mother to answer Mesereau's questions and stop arguing with him.

Mesereau also ridiculed the mother's contention that she never pursued offers of money from tabloids because "it's not my nature."

"I understand. We'll get to the J.C. Penney case in a couple of hours," he said, referring to a 2000 lawsuit in which the mother collected $152,000 from the retailer after alleging she was manhandled by security guards.

A grand jury indicted the 46-year-old Jackson last year on charges of molesting a boy -- now 15 -- giving him alcohol and conspiring to hold him and his family captive in 2003. Jackson has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

The accuser's name is being withheld because it is CNN's policy not to reveal the names of the underage accuser or members of his family.

Woman plays down accusation against husband
Under questioning by prosecutors, the mother had testified that Jackson and his associates had convinced her that unidentified "killers" were after the family, following the accuser's appearance with Jackson in a February 2003 television documentary.

However, the mother admitted that in a phone call with Jackson associate Frank Tyson, recorded during that period, she never mentioned any death threats.

The mother also admitted Friday that she once told police that her ex-husband had inappropriately touched their daughter after officers were called to their home to respond to a report of domestic violence.

However, the woman seemed to try to play down the accusation, saying, "It was a one-sentence statement" given to officers from the Los Angeles Police Department after "they asked for a history" of problems in the family.

Mesereau also pressed the woman about a child welfare investigation back in the 1990s, triggered after her son -- the accuser -- alleged she had abused him.

The mother said the probe by the state Division of Children and Family Services began after a school nurse wanted to send her son home early, and the boy expressed reluctance to go. The nurse, interpreting the conversation as a sign of possible abuse, called DCFS, the mother said.

She said no action was ever taken against her, and she described her interaction with the DCFS caseworkers as "positive."

Surveillance tapes shown to jury
The mother's cross-examination began Friday morning, after prosecutors completed their questioning of her by showing surveillance videotapes found in the office of Brad Miller, a private investigator working for Jackson's former attorney, Mark Geragos.

One of those videotapes, shot in March 2003, showed the family's belongings being packed up and moved from their apartment in Los Angeles, around the time the mother said Jackson's associates were preparing to send them to Brazil.

The mother, who insists she never authorized moving the family out of the apartment, identified a Jackson security guard named Asef as the person shooting the tape.

Other tapes showed the outside of her parents' home in the Los Angeles suburb of El Monte, including shots of her mother and father, and the parking garage of the apartment complex where her boyfriend lived, along with footage of him walking in a nearby neighborhood.

During her testimony Thursday, the mother testified that during a campaign by Jackson's associates to get her to help with damage-control efforts, a car followed her wherever she went. One of the tapes -- shot from a vehicle that followed another vehicle carrying her and another Jackson associate -- appeared to corroborate that testimony.

Both the mother and her then-boyfriend, now her husband, have testified that in the months after their final break with Jackson, they were harassed and followed by his associates and security guards.

Footage shown in court Friday, shot less than a week after the family left Neverland for the final time, showed the woman's daughter walking to her grandparents' house after school. Several times, the girl looked back toward the camera, apparently aware of the surveillance.

"She looks scared," the mother said -- a remark that was stricken after the defense objected.

CNN's Dree De Clamecy contributed to this report.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/15/jackson....rial/index.html
 

Saphster

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I really hope the truth comes out in this trial.
Michael has gone through so much sh-it already.
It would be nice if for ONCE things would go his way, instead
of the media's way. I hope justice is brought to the courtroom!!
 

Aaliyah

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Jackson team attack accuser's mom's credibility in fiery court showdown

SANTA MARIA, United States (AFP) - Michael Jackson's lawyer savaged the credibility of his child sex accuser's mother, getting the woman he claims is a rapacious gold-digger to admit she lied under oath.

In one of the most explosive showdowns of the seven-week-old trial, defense lawyer Thomas Mesereau began his cross-examination of the combative 37-year-old woman he has branded a "professional plaintiff."
In his bid to decimate the woman's claims that Jackson and his aides kidnapped her family and implicitly threatened their lives, Mesereau forced her to concede she did not tell the truth in a sworn deposition she made while suing a department store in 2000.

"You lied under oath to increase the amount of money you could get ... correct?," Mesereau asked, referring to her claim she was sexually assaulted when she and her children were detained on suspicion of shoplifting.

The woman claimed in the statement she was never abused by her now ex-husband, who she later reported to authorities for beating her and abusing their three children.

Mesereau suggested her claim against the JCPenney store that bruises on her body were caused by its security guards would have been weakened by the revelation of spousal abuse.

"How many lies do you think you told in the JCPenney case?" Mesereau asked. In evasive responses, she reluctantly conceded she lied about anything to do with her then husband until his subsequent arrest.

Jackson's team claims the woman is a greed-driven con artist with a history of coaching her children to lie under oath to win financial settlements.

The 46-year-old pop icon is accused of molesting her son, then 13, plying him with alcohol and conspiring to kidnap him and his family and hold them at his Neverland Ranch and a Los Angeles-area hotel two years ago.

Legal analysts said Mesereau had seriously damaged the credibility of the woman -- whose testimony is critical to the prosecution case -- in the eyes of jurors.

"The more she talks, the worse its gets for the prosecution," said trial watcher Michael Cardoza. "She won't answer the simplest of questions.

"She's self-imploding right before our eyes," Cardoza said. "He's just begun the surgery ... he'll continue to slice the witness," he said of Mesereau.

In a series of tense exchanges with the defiant witness, Mesereau suggested the woman's stories of kidnapping were a tissue of lies and that she was in fact living in the lap of luxury as Jackson's guest at Neverland.

"You didn't escape from Neverland at all, did you," Mesereau asked the woman provocatively.

"Oh yes I did," she retorted.

"How many times, in your mind, did you escape from that dungeon, Neverland?" Mesereau persisted, getting the woman to admit that she had left the ranch and then returned three times during her alleged captivity.

In a surprise revelation, she also conceded that she was once investigated for allegedly abusing her own child -- the alleged victim in the case.

The witness however gave as good as she got in her extremely testy sparring match against former boxer Mesereau, prompting the judge to warn he would cut the hearing short if the pair did not behave.

She pointedly corrected Mesereau's statements, turning directly to jurors on several occasions to say: "His statement is inaccurate."

She also hit back at a suggestion that her motive for making charges against the faded "King of Pop" was to set the scene for a lucrative civil lawsuit. "We'll never file a claim against Mr Jackson," she said. "I want justice here."

The war of words came a day after the woman wrapped up a complex and frequently baffling account of how Jackson aides allegedly used fear and intimidation to keep her family prisoner for three weeks in late February and early March 2003.

She said she agreed to allow them to whisk her family off to Brazil because they told her that "killers" would murder her boyfriend and parents if she refused to cooperate with Jackson's camp.

Prosecutors claim the panicked singer and his aides hatched the plot after the airing of a television documentary in which Jackson he held his future accuser's hand and admitted sharing his bed with children.

The woman claimed her family was then coerced into making a "rebuttal video" in which they described him as a beloved father figure and referred to Jackson as "Daddy Michael."

She said she did not want to make the video, which was played for jurors Friday, and claimed everything in it -- even the laughter -- was scripted: "I am a poor actress." But Mesereau shot back: "You are a good actress."

Jackson has pleaded innocent to 10 charges that could see him jailed for up to 20 years if convicted.
 

Aaliyah

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Accuser's mother: Michael Jackson kept us prisoner at Neverland

By Lisa Sweetingham, Court TV

SANTA MARIA, Calif. (Court TV) – The mother of Michael Jackson's accuser spent a second day on the stand Thursday crying and pointing her finger at the pop star as she described a two-month odyssey of intimidation and captivity suffered at the hands of his menacing aides.


The harried witness recounted threats of bodily harm by Jackson's handlers, forced extended stays at Neverland Ranch, and the gradual alienation of her children's affections by the King of Pop.


Jackson even gave wine to her 13-year-old son, a cancer survivor with one kidney, she said.


She learned about the incident, she told jurors, when her boy came to her late one night at her private bungalow at Neverland to say that "Michael was scared" that the "Jesus Juice" would be detected in his urine.


The next morning, as they were driven to the hospital for a routine check-up, she said she held her son's urine sample in a tight grip, letting it out of her sight only during a brief restroom break.


When she returned to the car, the full jug was nearly empty, its seal was wet, and her appointed chaperone shrugged and said it must have fallen over. Jackson was not present at the time, and the results of the test were not discussed in court.


The worst was yet to come. After the family's alleged escape from Neverland, after she hired an attorney, after she and the children were interviewed by a psychologist – it was the police who had formed "a trust bond" with her son, she said, who told her that her boy had been sexually molested.


Jackson, who maintains his innocence, is charged with plying the child with alcohol and sexually molesting him in February or March 2003. He is also charged with conspiring to imprison the family after the broadcast of a damaging documentary in which Jackson is seen holding hands with the accuser and defending why sharing his bed with children is a loving act.


He faces up to 20 years in prison if convicted.


Prisoner at Neverland


While the mother's testimony was compelling, her behavior both on the stand and in her convoluted narrative was often met with incredulous looks from the gallery.


Prosecutors want jurors to believe that the witness and her doe-eyed children were the target of an insidious campaign of brainwashing and intimidation.


When asked why she repeatedly returned to Neverland in February and March 2003, despite claims she had been held there against her will, she said, "Every time I tried to escape, there were huge consequences."


During this time, she did not tell police that Jackson's camp kept her under constant surveillance, because she said she was following orders.


The documentary, she was allegedly told, set off a cadre of "killer," dangerous men who were out to get her family. She did not know who to trust. So she stayed in her bungalow at Neverland and her hotel room on a trip to Miami, and she let her two sons sleep in Jackson's room, rarely seeing them, she testified.


However, she said she attempted cloak-and-dagger conversations with her mother.


"I tried to drop clues," but her phone calls, she said, were "constantly monitored" by Jackson's security – "big guys" with names like Vinnie, Frank and Johnnie.





Vincent Amen and Frank Tyson are two of Jackson's five unindicted co-conspirators.

"I figured all this was going to be resolved by God's miracles," she said. "I sneaked in clues, so that one day this puzzle could be figured out."

She was unable to provide examples of those clues, except to say that her Spanish-speaking mother, would only remark, "Que?"

The witness confirmed that she praised Jackson in a rebuttal video and to state investigators, agreed to be taken to a salon for a leg wax and on a shopping trip to buy her children new clothes, and left her children behind at Neverland at least twice – but only because Jackson's aides threatened to harm her army reservist boyfriend and her aging parents.

"I was confused," she said. "As things evolved, I ended up figuring out who were the bad guys."

The co-conspirators warned her that she would need to be sent to Brazil to protect her from "the killers."

The witness also identified forged documents on the stand Thursday – including letters and forms with her signature and those of Jackson's men, allowing her children to be taken out of school and her apartment to be vacated.

The state claims that her possessions were put into storage, and only through the help of an attorney long after the ordeal was she able to retrieve most of her belongings.

She testified that she finally asked her boyfriend and her family to help her. Her father feigned illness to help convince Jackson's handlers to bring her children home on March 11, 2003, for a two-day visit.

The next day, with her kids safely home, she called the house manager at Neverland and said to spread the word that they were never coming back.

Over the next few weeks, she said, Johnnie, Frank and Vinnie watched their every move, staked out their home, and left a note for her children to call them.

She adamantly denied having her sights set on Jackson's riches.

"Are you intending to file a lawsuit against Michael Jackson any time after this proceeding or thereafter?" the prosecutor asked.

"No," she said firmly.

Musical interlude

In a questionable move, prosecutors turned the courtroom into a concert hall Thursday morning, when they played an audio clip from the mother's recorded interview with the Division of Child and Family Services – conducted during the time the mother said she was bullied into submission by Jackson's co-conspirators.

The clip was meant to bolster the mother's claim that she was forced to secretly record the interview so Jackson's camp could make sure she praised the singer. She claims she also was ordered to play a promotional DVD for the child-welfare workers, which showed images of Jackson and the boy in happier times, with the Jackson Five's "I'll Be There" as background music.

But the mother managed to turn off the recorder when the aide stepped away. Thus, the majority of the evidence amounted to jurors listening to Jackson's innocent, youthful voice singing, "I'll Be There."

As the music swelled, some jurors gazed at Jackson, who sat pallid and motionless.

Overwhelmed with emotion, a young female fan in the gallery covered her tear-filled eyes so she would not be escorted out by deputies, who forbid such displays.

Jackson's mother, who was scribbling notes in a journal, closed the notebook, leaned back and closed her eyes.

The accuser's mother looked down, solemnly.

The surreal musical interlude went on for an uncomfortably long time, and the prosecutor shifted his weight against the podium and shot a furtive smile at the district attorney.

"This is why they don't let guns in the courtroom," one trial observer noted. "The prosecutor might shoot himself in the other foot."

Cross-examination of the accuser's mother will begin on Friday.
 

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