Official April 20 2005 thread

Pokey

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From MJNO
Originally Posted by ENTERT8NER
Well here is the official explanation...

Defense brought up the point that it was Neverland's policy not to let children leave the premise unless they are with their parents. Barron agreed that normally that is the policy.

There goes that witness...
 

Tiger Lilly

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Maybe Neverland doesn't usually have such wreckless, naughty little boys on the property. Gavin's got a reputation for misbehaving himself and having an attitude problem. Like Vicky said, why would they let him out? There was already a suspicious-eye on this family because they ran riot in Neverland. maybe they wanted to make sure he didn't go out alone. :careless
 
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Anonymous

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Yeah, so bringing up that fact makes no sense. Neverland is situated far away from anything..so if he wondered off...that would be on THEM at Neverland if they couldn't find him.
 

Aaliyah

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TSColdMan

Sanger did a very good job cross-examining about these various books and magazines discussed yesterday. I haven't read through it all, but here is a little snippet:

Q: Okay. These magazines are, I think you said, from 1931; is that correct?

A: They're from different years; 1935, '37, that era.

Q: That's true, actually. These are from 1935. And the title of the publication is "The Nudist"; is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: These appear to be collector's items, do they not?

A: They could be.

Q: Do you have any information as to whether or not Mr. Jackson ever saw these nudist magazines?

A: I don't have any information that he did or did not see them.

Q: Now, in the part of Mr. Jackson's house that you searched, do you know how many books were there in total?

A: No, I do not.

Q: Were there thousands?

A: There were many books.

Q: Okay. At least houdreds?

A: Yes.

...

Q: All right. And you said that as far as you know, there's nothing illegal about an adult possessing that book in the United States, or in California, let's say?

A: Yes.

Q: The United States in general, okay. Were you aware that that particular author, that photographer, was prosecuted and acquitted during the Nazi regime prior to World War II for those very photographs?

Objection Sustained

Q: As you look at that, that appears to be a historic book, a book of recording historic photographs; is that correct?

A: I don't know what you mean by that.

Q: All right. Did you research as to any of the authors of any of these books?

A: No.

Q: All right. So in other words, the day you were there, your job was to look at things and see if they appeared to be within the search warrant and you seized them?

A: Yes.

...

Q: Okay. But you didn't flip through every single book in that room?

A: No.

Q: All right. So first of all, you'd look at something that looked like it might be a book that had something to do with sex. Is that pretty much what you were looking for?

A: Yes.


 

Mack Dogg

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Originally posted by sistahlamb
MJJBunny MJJForum

Someone named Brian Barron on the stand today. He is the witness who saw the instructions to not allow Gavin to leave the property.


Tomorrow a very long list of motions.
It includes a motion to allow a battered woman's expert testify.
Also includes a defense motion to allow in prior sexual behavior of accuser.


The Defense case will be including:


450 witness on list

20 to 24 Neverland employees to say they never saw anything. Motion to determine whether it's relevant

Neverland empoyees re: Bad behavior re: accuser and brother


Does anybody know anything about that Brian Barron guy?? I haven't heard anything about him.

What a minute... Gavin had prior sexual acts?? F*ck that, let that in. It wouldn't be fair to Mike with that 1108 crap that went into this case!!
 

sistahlamb

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What the hell does that assh**e have anything to do with the trial??
Can we stay on topic please?

Anyway, who else is supposed to testify today besides Brian Barron??
 

floacist

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Jack Gordon bites the dust...no lost or mourning going on here.

Anyways off to more important matters..Michael is killing the three piece suits :)
 

Mack Dogg

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Originally posted by floacist
Jack Gordon bites the dust...no lost or mourning going on here.

Anyways off to more important matters..Michael is killing the three piece suits :)


:lol:

Bye Bye Jack!! :bustbubbl
 

sunny2005

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Ex-guard: Jackson staff told to keep accuser at Neverland
Witness concedes children weren't supposed to leave ranch on their own

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 Posted: 2:14 PM EDT (1814 GMT)

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/20/jackson....tion=cnn_latest

SANTA MARIA, California (CNN) -- A former guard at Michael Jackson's Neverland ranch testified Wednesday that security staff was ordered not to allow the singer's teenage accuser to leave the ranch in early 2003.

The message board notice appeared around the same time that prosecutors allege Jackson's associates held the teenager and his family against their will.

"We weren't to allow him off property without some sort of permission from the supervisor," said Brian Barron, a Guadalupe police officer who moonlighted as a guard at Neverland for five years.

Barron said a notation that the boy was not allowed off the property was written on a message board in the guardhouse at the main entrance sometime in January or February 2003.

However, under defense questioning, Barron said it was policy at Neverland not to allow children to leave the ranch if they were visiting without their parents, and notations often were made in the guest log to that effect.

Asked if the accuser's parents were at Neverland at the time, he said, "I don't think so."

Barron also said that he never saw criminal behavior at Neverland, and, as a sworn police officer, would have taken action if he had. He said the rest of the staff at the ranch was aware that he was a police officer.

Barron described Jackson as a hands-on manager, saying the staff would be "on pins and needles" when he was at the ranch and there was "much more work to be done."

"He's very much like a perfectionist," Barron said.

He said he stopped moonlighting at the ranch after investigators from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department conducted a November raid in connection with the investigation that led to the entertainer's indictment. His departure came after he had a conversation with his department chief about his second job, he said.

The prosecution has alleged that after the singer and boy were shown holding hands in a television documentary, Jackson and members of his entourage conspired to control and intimidate the accuser's family into helping with damage control efforts, holding them against their will at Neverland and a Los Angeles hotel.

Jackson, 46, arrived at the Santa Maria courthouse Wednesday morning accompanied by his mother, Katherine. He was wearing a black blazer over a light blue vest, with gray pants, a dark blue tie and a gold armband.

A grand jury indicted him in April 2004 on 10 felony counts: four counts of committing a lewd act on a child; one count of conspiracy to commit child abduction, false imprisonment and extortion; one count of attempting to commit a lewd act on a child; and four counts of administering an intoxicating agent to assist in the commission of a felony.

Jackson has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

CNN's Dree De Clamecy contributed to this report.
 

sunny2005

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Prosecution Calls Ex-Neverland Guard

7 minutes ago Entertainment - AP Gossip/Celebrity

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...hael_jackson_16

By TIM MOLLOY, Associated Press Writer

SANTA MARIA, Calif. - A former security guard at Michael Jackson's Neverland ranch testified in the pop star's child molestation trial Wednesday that there was once a notice posted in a guard station that the boy who is now the singer's accuser not be allowed to leave the estate.

But the witness, Brian Barron, also said under defense questioning that it would have been appropriate to keep child guests on the estate if their parents weren't present and that they probably would not let any children leave if they were unsupervised.

Barron, a police officer for the town of Guadalupe, moonlighted at Neverland for about three years until leaving after the ranch was raided by Santa Barbara County sheriff's investigators. He said his superiors in Guadalupe suggested he not work there any longer because of the criminal investigation.

The witness also said that after the Nov. 18, 2003, raid – for which he was not present – the Sheriff's Department asked him to go back to work at Neverland as a law enforcement informant but that he refused.

The witness said the directive concerning the boy was written on a guard station greaseboard for a weeklong period in January or February 2003. Barron said he did not know who wrote the directive.

Under cross-examination by defense attorney Robert Sanger, Barron acknowledged that as a police officer he would have been required to report anything illegal he saw at the ranch and that he never had grounds to do so.

Sanger asked whether the directive might also have appeared in a log of activity at Neverland's gate. The attorney produced a page of the log dated Feb. 19, 2003, that stated, "The kids are not to leave per Joe."

The notice said "kids" referred to the boy, his brother, "etc." The name Joe referred to a ranch manager.

The Feb. 19 date has surfaced previously in the trial as the day when the accuser, his brother, sister and mother were taken to Los Angeles to record a so-called rebuttal video in which they praised Jackson as a father figure.

Jackson, 46, is accused of molesting a 13-year-old cancer patient in February or March 2003, giving him alcohol and conspiring to hold his family captive to get them to make the rebuttal video after the airing of a TV documentary in which the boy appeared with Jackson, who said he let children sleep in his bed but that it was non-sexual.

Under questioning by Deputy District Attorney Gordon Auchincloss, Barron was asked whether there was a difference in attitude of employees when Jackson was present at Neverland.

Barron agreed, describing the mood as "tense."

Asked to elaborate, Barron said, "He's like a perfectionist. Everything has to be right. There was a lot of work to be done. Everyone was walking on pins and needles a little more to make sure everything was right."

Auchincloss also asked Barron to identify pictures of three boys from the community of Los Olivos who were frequent visitors to the ranch and to describe their conduct.

"Destructive," Barron said. "Whenever they were there we would have broken golf carts. They egged my security chief's car, and I mean a lot of eggs."

The prosecution informed the court Tuesday that it planned to rest its case next week.

The announcement followed the end of testimony by the accuser's mother, who underwent a final around of vigorous cross-examination Tuesday that sought to undermine her credibility by raising questions about the authenticity of photographs showing her covered with bruises after an alleged beating by store guards in 1998.

The photos were made in connection with a lawsuit that resulted in a settlement of more than $150,000 for the woman's family. Jackson's defense suggested that the woman exaggerated claims against the guards as part of a history making false allegations to get money.

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AP Special Correspondent Linda Deutsch contributed to this story.
 
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