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[Anonymous]

@ Jennifer. No I don't refuse to believe he had autoimmune vitiligo. What reason would I have to refuse to believe that? I believed his vitiligo was natural my whole life. It wasn't till 3 days ago I learned about chemically-induced vitiligo, and looking at all the facts, and yes I say FACTS, chemically-induced vitiligo is as much a possibility as natural vilitigo. Just because I'm open to other possibilities doesn't make me stubborn or whatever else people seem to be implying in this thread.

@whoever posted that video, no I did not see any blotches.

And people keep saying chemically-induced vitiligo doesn't make sense as if the condition doesn't exist. Well, chemically induced vitiligo is real and it's not something I pulled out my arse. And please stop misconstruing others words. Chemically-induced vitiligo is not someone putting bleaching cream on themself and missing spots to make them have blotchy skin. Right there says you didn't read any links so why even say something like that and then call others ignorant and make fun? Chemically-induced vitiligo works just like natural vitiligo; it just has a different cause. For example, let's say you're exposed to phenol, and then your hand has a reaction to it. The depigmentation can spread throughout the rest of your skin just like with natural vitiligo. It's like I'm talking to a brick wall almost.

 

[OneMoreChance]

[quote name="Chani"]
@ Jennifer. No I don't refuse to believe he had autoimmune vitiligo. What reason would I have to refuse to believe that? I believed his vitiligo was natural my whole life. It wasn't till 3 days ago I learned about chemically-induced vitiligo, and looking at all the facts, and yes I say FACTS, chemically-induced vitiligo is as much a possibility as natural vilitigo. Just because I'm open to other possibilities doesn't make me stubborn or whatever else people seem to be implying in this thread.

@whoever posted that video, no I did not see any blotches.

And people keep saying chemically-induced vitiligo doesn't make sense as if the condition doesn't exist. Well, chemically induced vitiligo is real and it's not something I pulled out my arse. And please stop misconstruing others words. Chemically-induced vitiligo is not someone putting bleaching cream on themself and missing spots to make them have blotchy skin. Right there says you didn't read any links so why even say something like that and then call others ignorant and make fun? Chemically-induced vitiligo works just like natural vitiligo; it just has a different cause. For example, let's say you're exposed to phenol, and then your hand has a reaction to it. The depigmentation can spread throughout the rest of your skin just like with natural vitiligo. It's like I'm talking to a brick wall almost.
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Everyone here knows that I'm usually a very nice and polite person, but now I'm just getting pissed off. No one here has insulted or made fun of you.

It's like I'm talking to a brick wall almost.

Should we consider this an insult? You're basically implying that we are all stupid. No you're not talking to a brick wall. You are talking to a group of people that have been on this thread for some time and we have discussed Michael's vitiligo several times. We all agree that Michael's vitiligo was natural. You say that have believed that Michael's vitiligo was natural your whole life, but now just because you learned that some chemicals can induce vitiligo your questioning what you've always believed. Michael stated that he had vitiligo and that it runs in his family. That's not enough for you? For your information I did read the links you posted. There are no FACTS  to indicate that Michael did this to himself! Michael was obviously predisposed to auto-immune disorders. Do you also doubt that he had lupus?

WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT MICHAEL INDUCED HIS VITILGO!

To think that this is a possibility where Michael is concerned is just asinine! (was that an insult? ) You joined a well established forum and are trying to get us to believe that this is a possibility! We choose to believe Michael!

BTW, I was the one who posted the video. I didn't say that it was very obvious, but you can see the lighter skin on the right side of his face? Here are some pics from that era

Also it looks like Prince has vitiligo. Just like his father because auto-immune disorders run in families. Or are we supposed to believe that there is a possibility that Price's vitiligo was also induced?

 

[sunshine.larrazabal]

Nothing in a MEDICAL WORLD that says----- CHEMICALLY INDUCED VITILIGO, first and foremost VITILIGO is a skin condition, okay???? 'MIGOD!! IS THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND???? If you are referring to wanting to bleach your skin IS NOT and WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AS CHEMICALLY INDUCED VITILIGO!!! You are suck a jerk! Ooopppsss!! Did I just say that???? YUP! Because skin bleaching which you probably refer to  CHEMICALLY INDUCED VITILIGO (OMIGOD!! You are so funny I could refer you to a doctor who will let you understand word for word about what really is a VITILIGO!)  ) will never be called as one, VITILIGO is a SKIN CONDITION, it's non-contagious, non-infectious and it's not the same as impetigo or psoriasis, okay????!!! If you want to understand better what really is a VITILIGO, I can refer you to a doctor, do you want it!? 

Jen, are we soooooo irritated by this????!!! Oh, God! You know what? Let's just enjoy the rest of the day and laugh it out loud even if am going to work later and I just hate working nowadays! 

 

[missclimpson]

I knew this story would stir things up. Why is this news?

I also have a friend who has type 1 diabetes and vitiligo. It's common for people with autoimmune diseases to also have vitiligo.

This is the story that won't die. The man is dead. Let it go.

I think this thread should be closed. It's like beating a dead horse.

 

[shelly]

I am sorry I didn't want to start an arguement and I don't think Chani wanted it.

 

[sunshine.larrazabal]

[quote name="missclimpson"]
I knew this story would stir things up. Why is this news?

I also have a friend who has type 1 diabetes and vitiligo. It's common for people with autoimmune diseases to also have vitiligo.

This is the story that won't die. The man is dead. Let it go.

I think this thread should be closed. It's like beating a dead horse.
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Whisper and other mods, please hear our prayers that this thread will be closed! Thank you very much! Love you guys!

 

[Saphster]

There's no need to get hostile towards each other. I think we all need to remember that this is just a discussion. We're just stating our opinions right? No need to get upset or be rude to each other.

One thing we can ALL agree on is that he had Vitiligo. There's no going around that. Whether some people believe it was natural or self induced (I don't believe that for one minute) he did have it. And suffered heavily from it but did not let it slow him down. He dealt with it in ways he felt comfortable with. He obviously didn't want the entire world prying too much on his illness and treatments if he didn't talk about it much. So I don't think we should think about it so heavily. I'm not saying let's just forget about it completely. But, trying to convince people who aren't fans that he did not self induce his Vitiligo will go no where. It will just cause pain and stress. We don't need more of that. All I know is that he was beautiful.

L.O.V.E

 

[oldschoolfan]

This thread doesn't need to be closed, people just need to stop being stern with each other. If all the threads people didn't want open would closed that would probably be half the site gone. If you don't like the topic don't read it, if there is a comment that offends, report it to the moderators and they can delete the comments themselves. There is still informative information for people on this thread for those that don't know too much on the topic (remember there are others that look at this site other than us), it just needs to be done without attacks on each other and implying people are stupid.

 

[sunshine.larrazabal]

Well, okay, as you say so, Amy.. Will the mods delete some of the disgusting comments???? Okay, including my comment mentioning about JERK!  Thank you very much! 

 

[Justlookingaround]

I think some people here have a problem with the fact Michael's skin was so white and maybe they wish it was them instead of Michael.  You are the one's with the problem not Michael.  Vitiligo is an autoimmune disease some say his son Prince has it too I guess if he does have it his was chemically induces too

 

[Saphster]

I don't think anyone here said that he purposely induced his Vitiligo. It was other people on another board who were saying this. Not anyone here.

 

[HeavenSent]

All points of view respected, but Chani is the one who stated she was open to the possibility of self induced vitiligo.  In the face of what we do know about Michael's health, that's insulting to me.

Keep the thread open for discussion, and let's hope the moderators will be in to clean up the rest.

 

[shelly]

[quote name="HeavenSent"]
All points of view respected, but Chani is the one who stated she was open to the possibility of self induced vitiligo.  In the face of what we do know about Michael's health, that's insulting to me.

Keep the thread open for discussion, and let's hope the moderators will be in to clean up the rest.
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I don't think that was really insulting. There are very dangerous cream used by black people, who doesn't know the danger because nothing is written on those creams, to have a lighter skin not to become totally white.
I say that because I saw a documentary about the danger of those cream. The people who have permanent problems with their skin because of those creams all said they didn't know what they were doing.
There is still a possibility that he made a mystake in the eighties and was too ashamed of it to speak about it on TV. If it's true that's doesn't change who he was.

 

[Anonymous]

[quote name="HeavenSent"]
All points of view respected, but Chani is the one who stated she was open to the possibility of self induced vitiligo.  In the face of what we do know about Michael's health, that's insulting to me.

Keep the thread open for discussion, and let's hope the moderators will be in to clean up the rest.
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I was gonna stay off this thread after all the insults. But people keep putting words in my mouth. Quit insuating that I'm claiming that he purposely induced vitiligo. And I can be open to whatever possibility I want to. I'm a freethinker and I pride myself on that. I don't care if that insults you. If the mods feel like my comments are offensive then they should delete them. So far a mod hasn't told me anything regarding my comments.

 

[Saphster]

Carla- Ok I skipped over some comments.

And as for the whole certain fans not all the way liking pre 80's Michael....that's kind of silly to me. My most favorite era is the recent era. Ever since he came out with Invincible I've always thought he's looked his best when many people (even some fans) said he looked better in the 80's. 2007 had to be my favorite year of all time. I haven't really seen many fans go gaga over Michael in recent years. Some even stopped finding him sexual attractive and have even admitted to it stating how he looked better in the Thriller and Bad era days. But, I'm definitely not getting upset or even giving anyone a hard time about it. Press hounded him EVEN more than ever since Invincible came out and especially MORE when he was at that court appearance and had that infamous piece of tape on his nose. Ya'll remember that? That seemed to be on the news damn near every 5 seconds.

[quote name="Chani"]Last point, you guys have a point about the avatars. I know why I choose mine, and you know why you choose yours. So it was wrong of me to project anything on others. But it remains a fact that few have avatars of dark skin wide nose afro Michael. And if I were to look at youtube videos of sexy Michael, 90% of them are post surgical (Thriller and after) or post vitiligo (Bad and after) Michael.  But I was pleasantly surprised when I went to the sexy site Crack Cobra to find a variety of sexy pics of Michael even during the 70s. But while checking out the website, the first thought that popped into my mind was, "I bet the creator of this site is black." Sure enough she was. Now I go to Dangerous Fantasies (creator is white), and very few of the pics are brown skin Michael or afro hair Michael. Now these are just my observations and they more than likely don't prove a thing, but it's where I get my viewpoint from.
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Kind of don't like how you brought 'race' into this. But I gotta say something.

I knew plenty of girls, who are black, that have said before Michael died that Michael looked ugly. That he looked way better in the Thriller/Off the Wall era. That he might as well wear a brown paper bag over his head. So many black women stopped finding Michael attractive after the Bad Era. This is not from observation. It is from confessions. Many black women have told me that after Thriller....he was not a Thrill to look at anymore. How come no one ever says nothing about that?

*crosses arms*

If anything it kind of bothers me how some fans will comment or gush about Michael looking sexy pre 80's (Example: He looked so damn good! I would have ate him up if I was old enough back then!!!!!"). And will just put a nice little "He looks good." comment and nothing more whenever a recent picture of him would be released in recent years. It's something that's always bothered me. I just never say anything about it. I feel like many female fans stay stuck in the past and don't appreciate the future.

 

[oldschoolfan]

I'm not making an attempt to initiate anything but please don't sit too comfortably on the fact the mods haven't cleaned up anything yet. They may, they may not, but there has been a lot of spam and pornography on this site that the mods haven't cleaned up yet which would suggest they haven't been online or because the site has changed a bit so they haven't been able to at this point. All I'm saying is just because it all seems cool now, doesn't mean we aren't going to get a nice surprise soon when a bunch of stuff is gone.

 

[HeavenSent]

[quote name="Chani"]
I was gonna stay off this thread after all the insults. But people keep putting words in my mouth. Quit insuating that I'm claiming that he purposely induced vitiligo. And I can be open to whatever possibility I want to. I'm a freethinker and I pride myself on that. I don't care if that insults you. If the mods feel like my comments are offensive then they should delete them. So far a mod hasn't told me anything regarding my comments.
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Chani, I've insinuated nothing, I've merely taken your own words. You said:

Just because I'm open to other possibilities doesn't make me stubborn or whatever else people seem to be implying in this thread.

If by 'other possibilities' you were excluding self induced vitiligo, then maybe you should have made yourself clearer, especially seeing as though you're being misunderstood left and right.  As for you not caring if it insults me, nice way to shut yourself out of a decent debate, but I'm still cool about it. 

Oldschoolfan is right about the mod thing, so while this thread is still salvagable, I think we should keep the discussion going.

 

[Anonymous]

[quote name="Jeniffer30"]
Everyone here knows that I'm usually a very nice and polite person, but now I'm just getting pissed off. No one here has insulted or made fun of you.[/quote]

Every time someone calls my posts ridiculous or nonsense  simply for stating that chemically-induced vitiligo is a real condition then I feel that they are calling me nonsensical as well. So yes, I am insulted.  

Should we consider this an insult? You're basically implying that we are all stupid.

No. The phrase "talking to a brick wall" is an idiom that means that you're talking to someone who isn't listening to you. It has nothing to do with calling someone stupid. If you don't know the meaning of a phrase, then don't make assumptions.

No you're not talking to a brick wall. You are talking to a group of people that have been on this thread for some time and we have discussed Michael's vitiligo several times. We all agree that Michael's vitiligo was natural. You say that have believed that Michael's vitiligo was natural your whole life, but now just because you learned that some chemicals can induce vitiligo your questioning what you've always believed.

So what? Like I told the other poster, I'm a freethinker and I take nothing at face value. If vitiligo can be acquired in more than one way then I accept that as a fact unless you prove it otherwise.

Michael stated that he had vitiligo and that it runs in his family. That's not enough for you?

No. Just because Michael said it I'm suppose to believe it? Sorry I'm not blindly devoted. Even Michael is subject to scrutiny and it's a shame that you think he shouldn't. He said he was a vegetarian as well, and he got caught with KFC. He said he was 9 when he was 11 years old. He said he got rhinoplasty to help him breathe better. He said a bunch of things for PR reasons.

For your information I did read the links you posted. There are no FACTS  to indicate that Michael did this to himself! Michael was obviously predisposed to auto-immune disorders. Do you also doubt that he had lupus?

The links were posted because the user said there was no way anyone could acquire vitiligo from chemicals.

WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT MICHAEL INDUCED HIS VITILGO!

To think that this is a possibility where Michael is concerned is just asinine! (was that an insult? )

Yes it was an insult and thank you for showing your true colors.

You joined a well established forum and are trying to get us to believe that this is a possibility! We choose to believe Michael!

I didn't come here trying to convert anyone. Let's get that straight from the get-go. I just read the original post and started reading comments that were implying that people on the IMDb board were ignorant haters who believed Michael wanted vitiligo and self induced it blah blah blah. I came here to set the record straight on the conversation.

BTW, I was the one who posted the video. I didn't say that it was very obvious, but you can see the lighter skin on the right side of his face? Here are some pics from that era

Seen these pics before. But I think it's funny that these 'blotches' don't show up on other pics from the era. It is obvious when Michael wears make-up, and I have seen pics of him with no make-up and not a trace of these patches that are showing up on these pics you posted. I saw Michael wash his face on the Making of Thriller video, and I seen no traces of it.

Also it looks like Prince has vitiligo. Just like his father because auto-immune disorders run in families. Or are we supposed to believe that there is a possibility that Price's vitiligo was also induced?

Well 2 things would have to occur here. One, I would have to believe that Prince is his biological son, and two that Prince has vitiligo. I don't believe either.

 

[Anonymous]

[quote name="HeavenSent"]
Chani, I've insinuated nothing, I've merely taken your own words. You said:
If by 'other possibilities' you were excluding self induced vitiligo, then maybe you should have made yourself clearer, especially seeing as though you're being misunderstood left and right.  As for you not caring if it insults me, nice way to shut yourself out of a decent debate, but I'm still cool about it. 

Oldschoolfan is right about the mod thing, so while this thread is still salvagable, I think we should keep the discussion going.
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Yes I am open to the possibility that it was chemically-induced. But when you say self-induced, it makes me feel like you're saying that I'm claiming he purposely gave himself vitiligo. I want to make it clear that I'm not claiming that he purposefully gave himself vitiligo. And no, I'm not concerned about you being insulted by non-insulting statements. I'm talking about ways he could have acquired vitiligo and nothing is insulting about that. I don't even want to type an example of what would be a real insult to Michael.

 

[sunshine.larrazabal]

Okay, after this comment, I am not going to visit nor read this thread anymore!  :-X I will enjoy reading and replying other threads then-----see, I am sooooo flexible! Anyway, Chani, if it wasn't you or Shelly initiated about chemically-induced vitiligo and it was from some other fan forums' comments, that's just meant that they don't know that that term NEVER exist in any medical textbooks---- And I can tell you that it doesn't exist, EVER as a medical term--- VITILIGO--- YES! As explained by a lot of people, it's a medical term for depigmentation of the skin, a skin condition when a person develops painless, white patches on the skin (yes, I know, it's incomplete definition?), it is non-contagious and that you don't necessarily have to wear surgical or clean gloves to touch the person, that is what VITILIGO really is! If you are referring to skin bleaching, that term exists! But, "chemically-induced vitiligo", this is a ridiculous medical term, well, is it a new medical term then?? I DON'T THINK SO, and please don't even mention this proudly as if you know about it to anybody in medical field or you'll look like one, such jerk! SERIOUSLY! That is just what I want you to know guys, that term is a new invented words that is NOT, and NEVER will be in the medical context!   Thank you and keep Michael-ing!