Is this true?

[frozen rose]

This is ridiculous!

Michael Jackson has a right to live wherever he wants. Neverland will always be his home, yes, but Michael is a worldly person, as Vicky said. He looks to explore new places, and Michael Jackson is an adult, and he has the right to do as he pleases.

For as far as I know, I really think people should realize that Michael Jackson is happy! h-a-p-p-y happy! As long as he's happy, I'm happy. I'm actually glad that he moved to Bahrain for a few months. If he had stayed in California, I'm assured that he will be crippled and in a wheel chair by now, as he would have had been pressured so badly and bombarded by press!

Michael Jackson isn't just interested in eccentric things; he looks things that are grown up, like we all do; he will obviously like pornography, because he's a man.

Also, his children need to start exploring, and not be cooped up at Neverland all the time. Otherwise, they will not be all that excited, as they have obviously seen Neverland so many times!

Just be happy for Michael, not yourself!

I bet the trial as changed Michael alot! I bet his personality has changed! But, we don't know that unless we got to know him.

Okay, I am done.

 

[Mathilde]

oh I Vicky I'm loving your response!
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[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Black Loafers@Oct 26 2005, 01:04 PM
Ofcourse I want Michael to be happy and his children too but I am just shocked to hear that he moved out from Neverland. After all theese years. I DO NOT want michael to make ME happy. I want him to be happy for himself. Got that? I didn't make this thread to sart arguing. I was just shocked and wanted to know.

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Michael will do what makes him happy. If he moves from Neverland, then it's because it's what he thinks is best.

You said you were disappointed in him. For what?

 

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Desert Rose@Oct 26 2005, 01:51 PM
oh I Vicky I'm loving your response!
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[Black Loafers]

Originally posted by ~Vicky~@Oct 26 2005, 08:01 PM
Michael will do what makes him happy. If he moves from Neverland, then it's because it's what he thinks is best.

You said you were disappointed in him. For what?

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At first yeah I was casue I didn't want him to move from Neverland. But if Michael is happy in Bahrain, I am happy for him.

 

[HeavenSent]

Originally posted by Black Loafers@Oct 26 2005, 12:04 PM
After all theese years. I DO NOT want michael to make ME happy. I want him to be happy for himself. Got that?

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So why are you disappointed in him then? If those are your wishes--even if it is a shock to you that Neverland is no longer his home--you made it seem like he's ruined your life.

 

[Black Loafers]

Originally posted by HeavenSent@Oct 26 2005, 08:54 PM
So why are you disappointed in him then?  If those are your wishes--even if it is a shock to you that Neverland is no longer his home--you made it seem like he's ruined your life.

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I just told you ^ Look what I said when I quoted Vicky.
I was at first! Becasue I didn't want him to move from Neverland. I hope that he gets back there some day but as long as michael is happy, I am happy. Jeez, we don't need to make such a big deal of it! :mellow:

 

[HeavenSent]

It's not making a big deal, it's just that one post today says one thing, another says something different. Glad to see you made a quick turnaround.

I'm just really hoping that his fans realize that this is not about Michael turning his back on his fans for choosing to move...or that "Michael is Neverland, he can't move!"...or any other of the complaints that I keep hearing over and over again.

I just want him to live and for once not have to indebt himself to his fans for every little decision that he makes.

Personally I think a lot of his fans expect him to spring back and be the same old Michael and not go any kind of transition. That's impossible.

 

[JANIE]

Originally posted by Black Loafers+-->QUOTE(Black Loafers)I am kind of disappointed in Michael becasue people say to me that he now LIVES in Saudi Arabia.[/b]

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I think we should know where he lives. Just where he lives. I mean we're fans. Come on. We knew he lived at Neverland but now? How are we going to be able to contact him? And I am going to Neverland next dummer and now I found out that he doesn't even live there anymore.[/quote]


I'm astounded.
Simply because Michael may choose to live elsewhere than Neverland, you're disapponted in him? <_<

Let me clarify something for you. We're fans. That's it.
We have NO right to know where Michael is, or what he's doing, or where he chooses to live or otherwise.

As a collective group we might be important to Michael, but he's not our property. He doesn't belong to us.

We can't expect him to be anywhere we choose to visit, Neverland or otherwise.

Michael has the right to show us what he wishes, to share with us what he wants. He has every right to privacy, he has every right to choose where he lives, or where he visits. And as for contacting him, Michael has given us MJJsource.

What beats me is that so many people are questioning why he may not want to be in the States right now. When the sherrifs department went into Neverland, they damn near tore it apart. They violated Michaels home, they infringed on his privacy. If Michael doesn't want to live there anymore, I couldn't blame him.

I want Michael to be happy. If that means he goes and lives in Timbuktu, so be it.

 

[Shannon]

I just want to say that I can see that Michael has changed after the trial. I can't exactly say how, but I saw it in the first pictures we saw of him in Dubai and also now recently in London. That he's changed doesn't mean it's something bad, it's for the better - I believe. I know that Michael will always be the same, wanting some privacy and different surroundings aren't going to change that. But his outlook on life, priorities and his needs may have been changed after what he's been through.

And for the Neverland matter. We all know he said that he doesn't feel like it's his home anymore, and also that he never going to sell it. Well, I think this is the rooth of all confusion going on between the fans. Neverland is more than Michael's home, it is also a place many loves with their whole heart because it is Michael's place - it's a reflection of who he is. That doesn't mean he have to live there for the rest of his life, but it means that we love that place so much and get scared that he might will sell it.

It's just like Elvis Presley's Graceland. It belong to him.


And I know this might be stupid, but that's how many fans thinks.

 

[danaluvsmj]

I admit I was upset when I heard about Michael living in Bahrain, but then I thought 'What the hell does it matter where he lives? it's not going to change anything.'

Johnny Depp has a home in France, yet you don't hear his fans whining and complaining about it. He has a home in LA too.
You didn't see him completely gone from the U.S when he moved to France, so how is that different from Michael?

We shouldn't assume anything until Michael says so himself.

 

[minnie michael]

i totally understand and feel some of American fans..because MIke choosed to back behrain after visited London so some of American fans feel sad and feel Mike left them.. but we have to face the turth is so many American meida trshed him and trashed his family and look at those people who hurt him so badly..yes MIke love Neverland he will never sell it..that place is full of MIke's happiness at the meantime its full of so many sadness..i always wanna forget what happened to MIke in the past 10 years..

right now MIke choose a quiet, sweet country to be his second home..i am very very happy for him..Mez told us MIke is very happy and already going on in his life..with his babes..with his friends over there..no matter where he is..i know his heart is always belong to us..belong to those people who really love him and care about him..i just wish Mike is happpy happy happpy happpy..that's all the matters..

he has spent more than 1 years to deal with those mess and to suffer from pain..right now its high time for him to enjoy his life..MIke is blessed with three beautiful babes..and so many loyal fans and loyal friends..i just pray for him about that..

 

[minnie michael]

oh yes..i think we better make a thread about thank you Behrain..xiix just like most of us said MIke's happiness is the first main thing..he has his right not choose how to live his life..he is not himself right now he is three babes' daddy.. members he knows how to choose a quiet, safe, happy place for his babes..they are just lil kids they need to be protected they need to be keep away from those media and those mess..MIke donot wanna anything mess around them..look at the way how he tried his very best to protect his babes from those trial things..he is a marvelous, wonderful father..just like Vicky said, look at how fast he recovered..we must say thank you GOD, thank you Behrain..give us a happy MIke again..

be yourself MIke babe..we love you..endlessly..

 

[Shannon]

Originally posted by minnie michael@Oct 26 2005, 11:19 PM
  i totally understand and feel some of American fans..because MIke choosed to back behrain after visited London so some of American fans feel sad and feel Mike left them..   but we have to face the turth is so many American meida trshed him and trashed his family and look at those people who hurt him so badly..yes MIke love Neverland he will never sell it..that place is full of MIke's happiness at the meantime its full of so many sadness..i always wanna forget what happened to MIke in the past 10 years..

  right now MIke choose a quiet, sweet country to be his second home..i am very very happy for him..Mez told us MIke is very happy and already going on in his life..with his babes..with his friends over there..no matter where he is..i know his heart is always belong to us..belong to those people who really love him and care about him..i just wish Mike is happpy happy happpy happpy..that's all the matters..

   he has spent more than 1 years to deal with those mess and to suffer from pain..right now its high time for him to enjoy his life..MIke is blessed with three beautiful babes..and so many loyal fans and loyal friends..i just pray for him about that..

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That's right

 

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by JANIE+Oct 26 2005, 04:30 PM-->QUOTE(JANIE @ Oct 26 2005, 04:30 PM)

Originally posted by Black Loafers@
I am kind of disappointed in Michael becasue people say to me that he now LIVES in Saudi Arabia.

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I think we should know where he lives. Just where he lives. I mean we're fans. Come on. We knew he lived at Neverland but now? How are we going to be able to contact him? And I am going to Neverland next dummer and now I found out that he doesn't even live there anymore.

I'm astounded.
Simply because Michael may choose to live elsewhere than Neverland, you're disapponted in him? <_<

Let me clarify something for you. We're fans. That's it.
We have NO right to know where Michael is, or what he's doing, or where he chooses to live or otherwise.

As a collective group we might be important to Michael, but he's not our property. He doesn't belong to us.

We can't expect him to be anywhere we choose to visit, Neverland or otherwise.

Michael has the right to show us what he wishes, to share with us what he wants. He has every right to privacy, he has every right to choose where he lives, or where he visits. And as for contacting him, Michael has given us MJJsource.

What beats me is that so many people are questioning why he may not want to be in the States right now. When the sherrifs department went into Neverland, they damn near tore it apart. They violated Michaels home, they infringed on his privacy. If Michael doesn't want to live there anymore, I couldn't blame him.

I want Michael to be happy. If that means he goes and lives in Timbuktu, so be it.

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I agree, and with Carla too.

Black Loafers, I'm not trying to berate you or anything...but which one is it? You keep saying two different things. First it's that you don't what him to move from Neverland because it will cut off your access to him, and now it's not that but because you want him to be happy?

It can't be both.


Shannon I agree that MJ has probably changed. Not like a total 180, but I'm sure the trial did it to him.

After what he went through...being handcuffed and jailed for th entire world to see. Having the police audio of his ride to the station aired on national TV, having people secretly taping his flight to the department. Having the D.A. that you hate comically telling you to 'get over here and get checked in,' in front of the whole world, having the media rooting for you to be jailed and treating you like a #1 terrorist by showing images of the jail cell that you may be staying in, plastering his mug shot in every place possible, having his home completely raped of having any feeling of 'home,' having the whole world privvy to what he does in private, watching former friends come one by one to backstab him......need I go on?

These are all memories that Santa Barbara holds for him. If the name 'Neverland' doesn't bring him happiness anymore, no one should blame him.

:canfigureout
I really don't think he's going to come out of that EXACTLY the same.

 

[danaluvsmj]

let's just remember one thing:

It was the DA of Santa Barbara that prosecuted him, not the whole USA, even though the U.S. media can be unfair sometimes, it doesn't reflect the views of all Americans.
Lots of Americans love Michael. America is still his home whether or not it's at Neverland.

okay I've said what I wanted to say. I'll shut up now.

 

[Anonymous]

I seriously doubt that if Michael leaves the driving force will be Americans themselves. The American media will end up being what drives him away.

But, I'm sure that whole 'Did Michael Jackson win because he is a ni**er' bit along with the numerous death threats he got didn't help either. If you think MJ didn't feel any hate from the general public, nnnuuh. He saw all those hateful signs and he heard all the hateful screams at him.

Not that the fan support wasn't there because it totally outweighed all the other idiots outside. But still, it has to hurt not to feel totally welcome and accepted in your own country.

The bottom line is Michael will always love and show love for his fans. People shouldn't worry about it.

 

[InspirationMoonwalks]

Besides, we don't even know if he's selling it. Just because he isn't physically there doesnt mean it still can't be used for what it was intended.

Exactly!!! This whole notion of Michael "selling Neverland" is not only tired, it's completely unfounded and the product of pure speculation. Why should Michael Jackson be any different than any other bigname celebrity out there, most of whom tend to have at LEAST two residences/properties, usually even more? :lol: Even IF Michael chose to buy/live in property over in Bahrain or wherever, that would not mean that he would have to essentially get rid of Neverland by default. Let's just face it: All this Bahrain talk has got people speculating, picking up on the old rumor of him "selling" the place, a rumor which has, if I'm not mistaken (as I'm going by memory here, lol), been floating about off and on since the Bashir special! Let's not read much more into it than that, as it only feeds into the rumor mill..


But, back on topic: Michael just went through, for almost literally the entire first half of this year (not to mention the year before it) what was the hardest period of his entire life. He may have emerged victorious, but that doesn't mean he wasn't hurt emotionally by the experience, as it WAS very, very trying, undeserved, and cruel. Thus, the man is, undoubtedly, going through his healing process now...trying (and obviously well on his way ), to recover and get his life back together after all of the mess. All during those two years, even during the most hellish period of his life thus far, Michael went out of his way to give to us--whether it was things as big as the opening of Neverland or as "little" as blowing a kiss or giving a wave--even during a time would he would've had EVERY excuse and reason to clam up and only think of himself. In that sense, the ordeal failed to change him, as he remained the same giving, caring, and loving person he always was. We all should be (and I know are) very thankful for that...NOT "dissapointed". :annoyed

But, in another sense, the experience was bound to change him, to alert him to the fact that he must be more careful about the kind of people he befriends and trust as it was, sadly, the very same people he tried to help that stabbed him in the back. If laying low from the SB area (at least until Snedass is gone, which I personally think would be a very, very wise move..) is part of that healing process or part of that "being careful", then I say, "go for it, Michael". HE is the only person who can live his life. No one else. So it's HIS move. No matter what he decides, though, we will always have his love and inspiration. I seem to remember a time where we were worried about him even being able to go home to his children in the first place! Let's just be thankful that he is now FREE and can now go and do whatever the hell he wants...that he can get back to his LIFE. THAT's what's important.

Everything else will be shown in time... But, my God, he has done pretty damn well for it being only 4 months since the ordeal. It would take most people YEARS to get to the point that Michael apparantly has after all he's been through! So, should we be "dissapointed"? HELL NO! We should be proud, inspired, and GRATEFUL For all he has and continues to give us. After all this, the very LEAST we could do in return is to grant him our understanding and support of his decisions..

 

[danaluvsmj]

Originally posted by InspirationMoonwalks@Oct 27 2005, 03:36 AM
Exactly!!! This whole notion of Michael "selling Neverland" is not only tired, it's completely unfounded and the product of pure speculation. Why should Michael Jackson be any different than any other bigname celebrity out there, most of whom tend to have at LEAST two residences/properties, usually even more? :lol: Even IF Michael chose to buy/live in property over in Bahrain or wherever, that would not mean that he would have to essentially get rid of Neverland by default. Let's just face it: All this Bahrain talk has got people speculating, picking up on the old rumor of him "selling" the place, a rumor which has, if I'm not mistaken (as I'm going by memory here, lol), been floating about off and on since the Bashir special! Let's not read much more into it than that, as it only feeds into the rumor mill..
But, back on topic: Michael just went through, for almost literally the entire first half of this year (not to mention the year before it) what was the hardest period of his entire life. He may have emerged victorious, but that doesn't mean he wasn't hurt emotionally by the experience, as it WAS very, very trying, undeserved, and cruel. Thus, the man is, undoubtedly, going through his healing process now...trying (and obviously well on his way ), to recover and get his life back together after all of the mess. All during those two years, even during the most hellish period of his life thus far, Michael went out of his way to give to us--whether it was things as big as the opening of Neverland or as "little" as blowing a kiss or giving a wave--even during a time would he would've had EVERY excuse and reason to clam up and only think of himself. In that sense, the ordeal failed to change him, as he remained the same giving, caring, and loving person he always was. We all should be (and I know are) very thankful for that...NOT "dissapointed". :annoyed

But, in another sense, the experience was bound to change him, to alert him to the fact that he must be more careful about the kind of people he befriends and trust as it was, sadly, the very same people he tried to help that stabbed him in the back. If laying low from the SB area (at least until Snedass is gone, which I personally think would be a very, very wise move..) is part of that healing process or part of that "being careful", then I say, "go for it, Michael". HE is the only person who can live his life. No one else. So it's HIS move. No matter what he decides, though, we will always have his love and inspiration. I seem to remember a time where we were worried about him even being able to go home to his children in the first place! Let's just be thankful that he is now FREE and can now go and do whatever the hell he wants...that he can get back to his LIFE. THAT's what's important.

Everything else will be shown in time... But, my God, he has done pretty damn well for it being only 4 months since the ordeal. It would take most people YEARS to get to the point that Michael apparantly has after all he's been through! So, should we be "dissapointed"? HELL NO! We should be proud, inspired, and GRATEFUL For all he has and continues to give us. After all this, the very LEAST we could do in return is to grant him our understanding and support of his decisions..

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exactly! Right on Tara. members

 

[PanGieE_S2_U]

Originally posted by ~Vicky~@Oct 27 2005, 01:47 AM

But, I'm sure that whole 'Did Michael Jackson win because he is a ni**er' bit along with the numerous death threats he got didn't help either. If you think MJ didn't feel any hate from the general public, nnnuuh. He saw all those hateful signs and he heard all the hateful screams at him.

Not that the fan support wasn't there because it totally outweighed all the other idiots outside. But still, it has to hurt not to feel totally welcome and accepted in your own country.

The bottom line is Michael will always love and show love for his fans. People shouldn't worry about it.

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Some losers were yelling out mean stuff to him? AwwWw *cries* i can imagine how hard it is to hear all these bad things coming out of other people's mouths about him. poor man!!!!!!

i feel so sorry for him and sad abt it at the same time the moment i read that.. however it never really occured to me that people did that.

CursE thEm! ullhair