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Cristine87

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Definition Of 'Cuddling' Debated In Michael Jackson Trial

Flight attendant offers to give a demonstration when questions arise.

by Jennifer Vineyard


After all the serious testimony in Michael Jackson's child-molestation trail so far, there was a moment of levity on Wednesday when testimony dictated a definition of "cuddling."

Flight attendant Cynthia Bell took the stand to talk about what she observed between the singer and the accuser during a flight back from Miami on Jackson's private jet. Prosecutors asked Bell if she ever saw Jackson "cuddling" with the accuser, and she said she saw him put his arm around the boy while listening to music. When asked if she considered that cuddling, Bell said, "It depends on what your definition of cuddling is."

When asked what her definition was, Bell said, smiling, "I'd have to show you." As observers in the courtroom burst out laughing, prosecutor Gordon Auchincloss then asked the judge if he could approach the witness for a little demonstration. But before any cuddling happened, Bell's witness chair broke.

As for testimony more directly pertaining to the case at hand, clinical psychologist Stan Katz, who was the first to interview the boy regarding his alleged molestation, said it is "extremely rare" for children over the age of 5 to make false reports of abuse. He said that children who do make false allegations sound consistent and scripted, while those who seem to be telling the truth may change their stories by exaggerating or embellishing. This, he said, would help explain inconsistencies in the stories told by the accuser and his brother.

Katz admitted upon cross-examination that he may have violated his gag order, because on Tuesday he discussed the case with another witness, the family's civil attorney, Larry Feldman, who had initially referred the accuser to Katz. (Katz was also the psychologist for the accuser in the 1993 investigation, and Feldman was also one of the attorneys involved in brokering the multimillion-dollar settlement for the boy in that case.)

Bill Dickerman, the accuser's family's first attorney, also took the stand and told how he wrote letters to Jackson's then-lawyer Mark Geragos on behalf of the family, claiming they were being subjected to harassment by Jackson's associates. He admitted on cross-examination he never mentioned any allegations of molestation or false imprisonment in those letters, but said that he never made a "demand for money" for the family.

Santa Barbara County District Attorney Tom Sneddon told the judge, after the jury was excused for the day, that he expects to start calling witnesses about previous sexual abuse allegations against Jackson starting on Monday (see "Blow To The Defense: Past Molestation Claims Allowed In Jackson Case").

Meanwhile, Macaulay Culkin, whom Sneddon had named as one of the boys involved in one of those alleged molestation instances, may be taking the stand after all, according to sources close to the actor. He was contacted by the defense team on Monday and has agreed to testify on behalf of the pop star (see "Macaulay Culkin, Corey Feldman To Testify In Jackson Case?").

Testimony will resume on Friday, since the trial will be in recess Thursday.

(CBS News contributed to this report.)


This report is provided by MTV News

http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1499310/2...?headlines=true
 
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Prosecutors asked Bell if she ever saw Jackson "cuddling" with the accuser, and she said she saw him put his arm around the boy while listening to music. When asked if she considered that cuddling, Bell said, "It depends on what your definition of cuddling is."

When asked what her definition was, Bell said, smiling, "I'd have to show you." As observers in the courtroom burst out laughing, prosecutor Gordon Auchincloss then asked the judge if he could approach the witness for a little demonstration. But before any cuddling happened, Bell's witness chair broke.
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LMAOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! XD!!!!
 
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LAWD HAVE MERCY!! amen to him looking so dayum good and on top of things.
 
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God I just got finished reading Mez's cross of Masada and my head is spinning :thehell
If he ain't "not remembering" things he's talking Mez down or contradicting his self. I did notice that towards the end of the cross he said more than once "they" referring to both David and Janet or Jay and JANET, you know switch the men out and leave that heffa in the equation cuz no matter what she is the puppetmaster.
 
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Originally posted by NevaehDreamz
Uhuh! I called him on the phone and I gave him pep talk! Don't you know? I also told him to rub that guys head for luck...and see! Today was a good day!

Meeeeee!
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Vicky, hey Vicky, come back reality...lol, only joking!

Me, Vicky, Carla and everyone made him Spunky today! :D
 
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Look at this!

The news that Macaulay Culkin will testify for Michael is already a month old, but wasn't picked up by most of the press!

It was reported by Santa Barbara News-Press last month! :thumbsup




Dawn Hobbs >dhobbs@newspress.com< wrote:

We actually reported last month that Macaulay Culkin would cooperate with the defense. I'm glad to see others are finally picking it up. Thanks again, Dawn
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Cristine87 said:
As for testimony more directly pertaining to the case at hand, clinical psychologist Stan Katz, who was the first to interview the boy regarding his alleged molestation, said it is "extremely rare" for children over the age of 5 to make false reports of abuse. He said that children who do make false allegations sound consistent and scripted, while those who seem to be telling the truth may change their stories by exaggerating or embellishing. This, he said, would help explain inconsistencies in the stories told by the accuser and his brother.
I'm no expert in psychology but using common sense this sounds like :bs
Do children under 5 even know what abuse is, let alone lie about it?
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Michael wears unseen headphones and jamming to "staying alive"

Michael: Yeah.... staying alive..... yeah yeah yeah... oh yeah.......
 
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I hope all this will get better and better, day after day!

And in the end one fatal stroke and ladies and gentleman, here it is The Sneddon Case, flat out dead on the table! You may approach, see for yourself...
Imagine all those media bashers, they will wear dark clothes, for their dead case... and they will need terapy, to recover from the shock...
 
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Originally posted by cecilia


I hope all this will get better and better, day after day!


And in the end one fatal stroke and ladies and gentleman, here it is The Sneddon Case, flat out dead on the table! You may approach, see for yourself...

Imagine all those media bashers, they will wear dark clothes, for their dead case... and they will need therapy, to recover from the shock...
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Are conspiracy charges already DEFUNCT?

Are prosecutors ALREADY looking to back away from conspiracy charges?

Looks like maybe YES!




http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152010,00.html
Jacko Prosecution Witness May Have Flipped
Thursday, March 31, 2005
By Roger Friedman


The conspiracy part of the Michael Jackson case may be over before it starts. It's become apparent to trial watchers that prosecutors are backing off from a big piece of their original indictment – the one that included five unnamed co-conspirators who they said held Jackson's accuser's family hostage and planned to take them to Brazil.

One big reason the conspiracy part of the case may be dead in the water: I am told that one of the five, Vincent Amen, recently met with prosecutors secretly. Without an indictment or subpoena hanging over his head, Amen was apparently persuaded by his attorneys to meet the prosecutors in the case and answer questions about the so-called conspiracy to harass and intimidate the family.

This might seem like a betrayal of Amen's friend, Frank Tyson, the Jackson intimate who brought Amen to California in February 1993 to work on various projects.

Tyson and Amen, who are both 24, were quickly assigned the task of watching over the accuser's family. Their duties included shopping, chauffeuring and babysitting. After about six weeks, however, the pair had enough and went back to other projects when a proposed trip to Brazil, among other plans, fizzled.

After the latest Jackson scandal broke, the pair seemed to be on the same page for a while. They even shared an attorney. But in the last few months, Amen – who did not have the family connection to Jackson that Tyson did – is said to have panicked because he might have big legal problems facing him thanks to the scandal. He changed attorneys and started making his own plans.

It didn't help that Jackson's team did nothing to reach out to Amen, my sources said. This was probably a huge strategic mistake, but one that is in line with other decisions. The Jackson team has not done much to reward loyalty at a time when the pop singer needs all the friends he can get.

Nevertheless, sources say that Amen's visit with prosecutors may have had an unintentional effect. At the meeting, Amen finally was able to explain many of the episodes recounted in grand jury testimony and in this column.

For example, Amen told the district attorneys how the accusing boy's urine sample was ruined on a drive to the medical lab. The boy's mother said Amen dumped it out, but Amen claims it fell over in his car. I'm told the prosecutors were persuaded that his stories were truthful. That causes a problem for them, however.

In associated testimony, the conspiracy part has taken a beating thus far. Tyson and Amen were said to have held the family for a week in a hotel in Calabasas, Calif. But this column reported exclusively that the family went on wild shopping sprees, to the movies and to many local restaurants. The mother even had a full body wax and a manicure. None of this is considered standard fare during a kidnapping. The family also made dozens of phone calls to friends and family, never mentioning once that they were in any peril.

The family's attorney, William Dickerman, dealt the conspiracy part of the trial a fatal blow when he was cross-examined by defense attorney Thomas Mesereau yesterday. He admitted to writing several letters to Michael Jackson's then-attorney Mark Geragos after the family left Neverland for good on March 11, 2003.

The letters, which concerned the return of the family's meager possessions from a storage vault, were called a "series" by Dickerman. But the lawyer never mentioned in any of them that the family had been "held hostage" or made to do anything they didn't want to do. At the same time, Dickerman indicated that during his many meetings with the family, none of them mentioned their "kidnapping" either.

In fact, Dickerman revealed that his first two meetings with the family were on Feb. 21 and 25, 2003. Amen drove the mother to the meeting on the latter date. On the same day, he and Tyson took the family on their seven-day shopping trip in Calabasas.

At no time during the meetings with Dickerman did the mother or her three kids indicate there was any trouble at all. They were simply there, Dickerman recalled, to see if they had any rights for appearing in the Martin Bashir documentary "Living with Michael Jackson." They did not.

Jacko's Fly Girl, Boy's Shrink Take Stand

Two other witnesses made a big splash yesterday in the Michael Jackson trial. Cynthia Ann Bell, the flight attendant for XtraJet, continued the testimony she began on Tuesday. Bell, an endearingly kooky woman, often had the jury and the trial observers in stitches when, among other things, she accidentally slipped out of her chair on the witness stand.
Bell, who was unfailingly polite and seemingly without guile, said she was simply there to tell the truth. But it was clear she did not care for the accusing boy who, she said, was rude and obnoxious when he was a passenger on a plane she served on Feb. 7, 2003.

According to Bell, the boy threw mashed potatoes at Jackson's sleeping doctor, tossed his backpack at her and complained endlessly about his food.

On the other hand, Bell found Jackson's two toddlers, Prince and Paris, "lovely" and well-disciplined. She said Jackson did prefer to have wine served to him in a Diet Coke can, but that many of her adult passengers routinely hid their drinking from their children. Bell also insisted that Jackson was never drunk on the flight, although he was "intoxicated." She explained this meant that Jackson, a nervous flier, was calm.

Bell did recall that she served liquor to the accuser's sister, who used a fake ID (she was 16). Bell said that at one point the accusing boy, who was belligerent from the moment he stepped on the plane, sat with his sister and her teenage friend, who was also drinking. The intent, it appeared, was to suggest that if the boy had any liquor, he got it from them and not from Jackson.

Bell, who's got kind of a Suzanne Somers thing going on, cracked up the court when she said she would have to show the prosecutor what she meant by "cuddling" – her word for what Jackson was doing on the plane with the accusing boy.

District Attorney Gordon Auchincloss, whom Bell called "Mr. Gordon," asked the judge jokingly if he could approach the witness.

"Between the comedians and the lawyers in this court, I have to say I prefer the comedians," Judge Rodney Melville said later.

After her second session of grilling, Bell finally left the stand to near applause. :thumbsup

"I feel like I won the lottery," she said as she strode out of the room.

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Psychologist Katz "discussed" his testimony day before with civil lawyer Larry Feldman, using a transcript given to him by the prosecutor that included his [the prosecutor's] notes! note: This was ILLEGAL, and violated the GAG ORDER!

Katz is obviously a hired gun (see article). Even more interesting, despite Katz's major complicity in the infamous 1983 McMartin case, he refused to admit outright that he had had any experience with false molestation claims! LOL!

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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/31/national...html?oref=login
At Jackson Trial Psychologist Testifies Briefly About Interview
By CHARLIE LeDUFF
March 31, 2005


SANTA MARIA, Calif., March 30 - Testimony in the child molesting trial of Michael Jackson took an odd twist on Wednesday because of what was not said.

The psychologist who had first interviewed Mr. Jackson's teenage accuser and who was widely expected to detail what the boy had told him about Mr. Jackson was called to the stand by prosecutors. But the public heard no prurient nuggets, as prosecutors conducted a remarkably brief questioning of the psychologist, Dr. Stanley J. Katz.

What did emerge, however, was the contorted way in which Mr. Jackson came to find himself seated in court, clinging not only to his battered celebrity, but also to his freedom.

Dr. Katz was not asked, and so did not offer, any fresh or corroborating elements to the boy's three days of testimony. The senior deputy district attorney of Santa Barbara County, Ron Zonen, limited his questions to about three minutes about interviewing the family and in doing so avoided inconsistencies and lost recollections that plagued the testimony of the boy, now 15.

Nevertheless, Mr. Jackson's lawyer, Thomas A. Mesereau Jr., tried gamely. He suggested that Dr. Katz was involved in a well-planned shakedown of his client. He pointed out that Dr. Katz had worked before with the boy's lawyer, Larry Feldman, on another sex case against Mr. Jackson.

In 1993, Mr. Feldman represented a 13-year-old who said Mr. Jackson had molested him. The boy received a $20 million settlement with the caveat that he remain silent. Mr. Jackson was never charged in that case.

It became clear as the morning wore on that the current case made its way to trial only after a circuitous journey. In early 2003, after a documentary featuring the boy holding Mr. Jackson's hand had been broadcast, the boy's mother spoke with the owner of a comedy club, Jamie Masada, who had befriended the family. Mr. Masada put her in touch with his lawyer, Bill Dickerman. Mr. Dickerman put her in touch with Mr. Feldman in exchange for a percentage of any money that Mr. Feldman might gain in a civil suit against the singer in connection with the boy.

Mr. Feldman then contacted Dr. Katz. The doctor said he conducted two cursory mental examinations of the boy, each an hour long, for which he was paid $300 an hour.

In June, the doctor and the lawyer, went to Los Angeles County child welfare investigators with their complaint. Investigators refused to take an abuse report because the boy was not considered in immediate danger.

It was then that Mr. Feldman contacted the Santa Barbara police.

Dr. Katz also admitted that he had discussed his testimony not only with Mr. Feldman on Tuesday to "refresh our memories about things," but had also received from Mr. Zonen a transcript of statements he gave to detectives. Those transcripts had notes written by Mr. Zonen.

As Mr. Jackson sat motionless, his lawyer painted Dr. Katz as a self-promoter and a gun for hire. Dr. Katz has worked on more than 1,000 abuse cases, including current work against the Roman Catholic Church, and he has a syndicated television program.

He was director of training and professional education at the Children's Institute International in Los Angeles, the agency that gave diagnoses for 360 children that they had been sexually abused at the McMartin preschool in Manhattan Beach in 1983. In what became the longest, most expensive trial in Los Angeles County history, no one was convicted.

"Have you ever had false claims of molestation in children over the age of 6?" Mr. Mesereau asked.

The doctor waffled and said his book "The Co-dependency Conspiracy" was available on Amazon.com. ... :extremely

Earlier Wednesday, there was laughter. Cynthia Bell, a flight attendant on a flight that Mr. Jackson took with the boy from Miami to Santa Barbara, said she did not see Mr. Jackson ply the 13-year-old with wine, as the prosecution contends.

"Were they cuddling?" Gordon Auchincloss, a senior deputy district attorney, asked.

"I wouldn't say cuddling," Ms. Bell said. "He had his arm around him."

"How do you define cuddling?" the prosecutor asked.

She giggled. "I guess I'd have to show you."

The prosecutor said: "Permission to approach the witness, Your Honor."
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