official April 21 2005 thread
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Cristine87
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Holy Shit, that is crazy!
Cristine87
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What does she mean by girl? Girl or Woman?
Tiger Lilly
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Can't that be damaging for the pros because Gav's seen to be hanging around with people like that...?
I dunno what to make of that really... Who is this guy?
Danielle Oliver
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Defence Witness Ahmad Elatab Arrested
A potential witness in the Michael Jackson trial was accused of having sex with a minor in the basement of her home after telling her he had seen the pop star seduce a girl.
Ahmad Elatab was being held on $25,000 bail in the Passaic County Jail in Paterson on Thursday, facing charges of sexual assault, criminal sexual contact and impairing the morals of a minor. He was not given the option of posting 10 percent in cash to gain his release, and must have no contact with the alleged victim in the case, police Capt. Robert Rowan said.
Police said a 14-year-old Paramus Catholic High School girl who knew the 18-year-old from a belly-dancing class invited Elatab to her home while her parents were sleeping on April 11.
They watched pornographic discs and other computer-generated images that Elatab had brought, police said, and the girl told them Elatab bragged that he had been at Jackson's Neverland Ranch and had seen the pop star seduce a girl.
Authorities were alerted when a teacher intercepted a graphic note of the encounter that the girl was passing to a classmate.
The girl told officers some parts of the encounter were consensual, but she also said some were not because she said some acts were forced on her. Elatab was arrested Tuesday.
Authorities said Elatab said the sex was consensual and he denied telling the girl he saw Jackson seduce a girl. Elatab admitted he told the girl how "smooth" Jackson is and that he knows how to talk to women, police said.
Elatab is on the list of potential defense witnesses for Jackson's child molestation trial in California.
He befriended Jackson's cancer-stricken accuser and said the boy told him Jackson helped him fight the illness through meditation.
Elatab said he spoke with the boy when Jackson took them on an outing to a Toys 'R' Us store in 2003. He said the boy believed his cancer was gone because of Jackson.
Source: Associated Press
A potential witness in the Michael Jackson trial was accused of having sex with a minor in the basement of her home after telling her he had seen the pop star seduce a girl.
Ahmad Elatab was being held on $25,000 bail in the Passaic County Jail in Paterson on Thursday, facing charges of sexual assault, criminal sexual contact and impairing the morals of a minor. He was not given the option of posting 10 percent in cash to gain his release, and must have no contact with the alleged victim in the case, police Capt. Robert Rowan said.
Police said a 14-year-old Paramus Catholic High School girl who knew the 18-year-old from a belly-dancing class invited Elatab to her home while her parents were sleeping on April 11.
They watched pornographic discs and other computer-generated images that Elatab had brought, police said, and the girl told them Elatab bragged that he had been at Jackson's Neverland Ranch and had seen the pop star seduce a girl.
Authorities were alerted when a teacher intercepted a graphic note of the encounter that the girl was passing to a classmate.
The girl told officers some parts of the encounter were consensual, but she also said some were not because she said some acts were forced on her. Elatab was arrested Tuesday.
Authorities said Elatab said the sex was consensual and he denied telling the girl he saw Jackson seduce a girl. Elatab admitted he told the girl how "smooth" Jackson is and that he knows how to talk to women, police said.
Elatab is on the list of potential defense witnesses for Jackson's child molestation trial in California.
He befriended Jackson's cancer-stricken accuser and said the boy told him Jackson helped him fight the illness through meditation.
Elatab said he spoke with the boy when Jackson took them on an outing to a Toys 'R' Us store in 2003. He said the boy believed his cancer was gone because of Jackson.
Source: Associated Press
Danielle Oliver
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Rita Cosby Exclusive Interview with Ahmad and Juwad Eletab
April 16th, 2005
Joining me now for an exclusive interview are two people on the witness list for the Jackson defense. They may be called. Ahmad Eletab has visited Neverland a dozen times and his brother Juwad has been there four times. Welcome to both of you guys.
Rita: Ahmad, you stayed at Neverland a number of times. Did you ever stay in Michael Jackson's bedroom?
Ahmad: I didn't sleep in there -- but I walked around, had fun in there and played.
Rita: What did you see, what did it look like?
Ahmad: Just looked like a teenager's room. He has a whole bunch of collectibles, trophies, awards that he earned, and poster of movies and stuff.
Rita: And, where did you stay the other times when you were there?
Ahmad: Just everywhere in the house. You don't really stay anywhere, you just walk around the house and have fun.
Rita: And you stayed in -- I was there, I've talked about my trip to Neverland a little bit but -- in the back there, there's a movie theater and there's a bedroom back there. That's where you stayed, right?
Ahmad: Yeah. That's where I stayed. Upstairs.
Rita: Do you know if you're gonna be called as a witness or not?
Ahmad: Hopefully I will be. They keep telling me --
Rita: You wanna be.
Ahmad: Yeah, I wanna be a witness.
Rita: And what are you gonna say?
Ahmad: Just uh, I can't really say it like 'well I'm gonna say', but I just want to help him with all I can help him with and just be honest.
Rita: Did anything improper happen there that you saw?
Ahmad: Nothing at all. Nothing.
Rita: Umm, I gotta ask you. I know you're a young guy Juwad, but you stayed over there as well, right? One night?
Juwad: Yes.
Rita: Did you ever see anything improper -- did Michael Jackson ever do anything wrong to you?
Juwad: No, not at all.
Rita: Did he ever try to give you alcohol?
Juwad: No.
Rita: Did he ever try to touch you improperly, or did you ever see him touching anyone else improperly?
Juwad: No.
Rita: What kind of a guy is Michael Jackson?
Juwad: He's a very nice guy. He's not a molester. And...
Rita: Do you feel he's a good person and --
Juwad: Yes.
Rita: Do you think he could have done these things that he's being accused of now?
Juwad: Umm... (Thinking)
Rita: It doesn't sound like it based on what you're saying. It sounds like you've always seen good things, right?
Juwad: Yes.
Rita: And, Ahmad. Did you ever see anything unusual or any -- did you ever see booze around the place?
Ahmad: No. He doesn't drink booze, it's all lies. Well, he drinks 'cause he's an adult, but that's only when he's with adults.
Rita: Did you ever see him give it to any kids - anyone like your brother's age?
Ahmad: No. He doesn't even drink with kids. No, never.
Rita: You know the accuser.
Ahmad: Yeah.
Rita: What kind of guy is this accuser?
Ahmad: From what I saw he's just -- like he's a smart alec. And he's just, I can't really talk about it but he's not how the press are putting him like to be; he's not an innocent little boy like everyone thinks he is.
Rita: Do you believe he's making this up?
Ahmad: Yeah, he is making this up.
Rita: And why are you so confident in that?
Ahmad: Because, like if you look at the mother's testimony and how -- the press even knows that the mother can control her kids and just how she testified. And, it's just, the mother has all the influence over the kids so that's why.
Rita: Now Juwad, your mom never had a problem with you staying over there, right?
Juwad: No.
Rita: And why not, Ahmad? You know, a lot of people say "why do parents let kids stay over?"
Ahmad: Because the parents -- when they see Michael and meet him -- they know how he's just a nice guy. He's just open-hearted, he loves everybody. That's how he is. That's why they can trust him. And usually the kids that they let stay there are smart enough to tell the parents "Yeah he touched me," in any way, if anything does happen. You know what I'm saying, things like that.
Rita: So your mom was ko with you staying there -- your mom trusts you over there and trusts them, obviously?
Juwad: Yes, yes.
Rita: When was the last time you talked to Michael Jackson, Ahmad?
Ahmad: I don't know exactly when, but I think in the summer sometime.
Rita: I heard you got a surprise phone-call?
Ahmad: Yes.
Rita: What did he say to you?
Ahmad: He just like talked, said "how are you doing," stuff like that. I can't really --
Rita: How's he holding up?
Ahmad: He's doing good. The only reason why he's doing good right now is because of his kids. His kids are keeping him alive and all the other stuff.
Rita: How do you think this is going to end up - the trial?
Ahmad: I think he's going to win, and when he wins its going to be a fun time with him. He's gonna go on with his music career and he's going to be big again.
Rita: Alright both of you guys. Thank you for coming, we appreciate you being here. Thank you both for being here.
Rita: Ahmad, did you ever meet the mother? I know you met the accuser --
Ahmad: No, I never met the mother. but --
Rita: What did you hear about her from --
Ahmad: I just... Like I asked the accuser about his mother and he's like "Oh, the press all lies. She's not crazy," and this and that. But, I could just tell - their like Ghetto kind-of family. Their not like a close-nit family and stuff like that.
Rita: Juwad, why do you think people are accusing Michael Jackson now of this? What do you think is motivating them and pushing them to do this?
Juwad: Because, sometimes they want money, sometimes they just want to do this.
Rita: Do you think that they want money? You think that they're out -- do you think that people take advantage of Michael Jackson?
Juwad: Sometimes. Yeah.
Rita: And what do you think, Ahmad?
Ahmad: Yeah, very much.
Rita: What do you think is driving this trial?
Ahmad: I don't want to say too much but there's a big conspiracy with like what Michael said -- Sony, and people like that, they're just, they want his music catalogs and everything he owns.
Rita: Ahmad, you met Macaulay Culkin, right?
Ahmad: Yeah, I met him once.
Rita: Did you meet him with Michael?
Ahmad: Yeah, it was at the 30th Anniversary Concert. It was brief, though.
Rita: Did you sense there was anything -- because there have been some allegations that --
Ahmad: No. They're like brothers. They're just like brothers.
Rita: Do you think a lot of people are confusing affection for going over the line?
Ahmad: Yeah. But right now when -- if Macaulay testifies he's going to prove everyone wrong that Michael's not a pedophile. And I know he's not going to cry or anything like that, he's just going to tell everybody the straight truth that "Michael is not a pedophile. He didn't molest me or anybody around me."
Rita: Alright guys, thank you very much everybody for being here. Juwad, also we thank you for being here too. You're adorable, thank you.
(Transcribed by TSColdMan)
April 16th, 2005
Joining me now for an exclusive interview are two people on the witness list for the Jackson defense. They may be called. Ahmad Eletab has visited Neverland a dozen times and his brother Juwad has been there four times. Welcome to both of you guys.
Rita: Ahmad, you stayed at Neverland a number of times. Did you ever stay in Michael Jackson's bedroom?
Ahmad: I didn't sleep in there -- but I walked around, had fun in there and played.
Rita: What did you see, what did it look like?
Ahmad: Just looked like a teenager's room. He has a whole bunch of collectibles, trophies, awards that he earned, and poster of movies and stuff.
Rita: And, where did you stay the other times when you were there?
Ahmad: Just everywhere in the house. You don't really stay anywhere, you just walk around the house and have fun.
Rita: And you stayed in -- I was there, I've talked about my trip to Neverland a little bit but -- in the back there, there's a movie theater and there's a bedroom back there. That's where you stayed, right?
Ahmad: Yeah. That's where I stayed. Upstairs.
Rita: Do you know if you're gonna be called as a witness or not?
Ahmad: Hopefully I will be. They keep telling me --
Rita: You wanna be.
Ahmad: Yeah, I wanna be a witness.
Rita: And what are you gonna say?
Ahmad: Just uh, I can't really say it like 'well I'm gonna say', but I just want to help him with all I can help him with and just be honest.
Rita: Did anything improper happen there that you saw?
Ahmad: Nothing at all. Nothing.
Rita: Umm, I gotta ask you. I know you're a young guy Juwad, but you stayed over there as well, right? One night?
Juwad: Yes.
Rita: Did you ever see anything improper -- did Michael Jackson ever do anything wrong to you?
Juwad: No, not at all.
Rita: Did he ever try to give you alcohol?
Juwad: No.
Rita: Did he ever try to touch you improperly, or did you ever see him touching anyone else improperly?
Juwad: No.
Rita: What kind of a guy is Michael Jackson?
Juwad: He's a very nice guy. He's not a molester. And...
Rita: Do you feel he's a good person and --
Juwad: Yes.
Rita: Do you think he could have done these things that he's being accused of now?
Juwad: Umm... (Thinking)
Rita: It doesn't sound like it based on what you're saying. It sounds like you've always seen good things, right?
Juwad: Yes.
Rita: And, Ahmad. Did you ever see anything unusual or any -- did you ever see booze around the place?
Ahmad: No. He doesn't drink booze, it's all lies. Well, he drinks 'cause he's an adult, but that's only when he's with adults.
Rita: Did you ever see him give it to any kids - anyone like your brother's age?
Ahmad: No. He doesn't even drink with kids. No, never.
Rita: You know the accuser.
Ahmad: Yeah.
Rita: What kind of guy is this accuser?
Ahmad: From what I saw he's just -- like he's a smart alec. And he's just, I can't really talk about it but he's not how the press are putting him like to be; he's not an innocent little boy like everyone thinks he is.
Rita: Do you believe he's making this up?
Ahmad: Yeah, he is making this up.
Rita: And why are you so confident in that?
Ahmad: Because, like if you look at the mother's testimony and how -- the press even knows that the mother can control her kids and just how she testified. And, it's just, the mother has all the influence over the kids so that's why.
Rita: Now Juwad, your mom never had a problem with you staying over there, right?
Juwad: No.
Rita: And why not, Ahmad? You know, a lot of people say "why do parents let kids stay over?"
Ahmad: Because the parents -- when they see Michael and meet him -- they know how he's just a nice guy. He's just open-hearted, he loves everybody. That's how he is. That's why they can trust him. And usually the kids that they let stay there are smart enough to tell the parents "Yeah he touched me," in any way, if anything does happen. You know what I'm saying, things like that.
Rita: So your mom was ko with you staying there -- your mom trusts you over there and trusts them, obviously?
Juwad: Yes, yes.
Rita: When was the last time you talked to Michael Jackson, Ahmad?
Ahmad: I don't know exactly when, but I think in the summer sometime.
Rita: I heard you got a surprise phone-call?
Ahmad: Yes.
Rita: What did he say to you?
Ahmad: He just like talked, said "how are you doing," stuff like that. I can't really --
Rita: How's he holding up?
Ahmad: He's doing good. The only reason why he's doing good right now is because of his kids. His kids are keeping him alive and all the other stuff.
Rita: How do you think this is going to end up - the trial?
Ahmad: I think he's going to win, and when he wins its going to be a fun time with him. He's gonna go on with his music career and he's going to be big again.
Rita: Alright both of you guys. Thank you for coming, we appreciate you being here. Thank you both for being here.
Rita: Ahmad, did you ever meet the mother? I know you met the accuser --
Ahmad: No, I never met the mother. but --
Rita: What did you hear about her from --
Ahmad: I just... Like I asked the accuser about his mother and he's like "Oh, the press all lies. She's not crazy," and this and that. But, I could just tell - their like Ghetto kind-of family. Their not like a close-nit family and stuff like that.
Rita: Juwad, why do you think people are accusing Michael Jackson now of this? What do you think is motivating them and pushing them to do this?
Juwad: Because, sometimes they want money, sometimes they just want to do this.
Rita: Do you think that they want money? You think that they're out -- do you think that people take advantage of Michael Jackson?
Juwad: Sometimes. Yeah.
Rita: And what do you think, Ahmad?
Ahmad: Yeah, very much.
Rita: What do you think is driving this trial?
Ahmad: I don't want to say too much but there's a big conspiracy with like what Michael said -- Sony, and people like that, they're just, they want his music catalogs and everything he owns.
Rita: Ahmad, you met Macaulay Culkin, right?
Ahmad: Yeah, I met him once.
Rita: Did you meet him with Michael?
Ahmad: Yeah, it was at the 30th Anniversary Concert. It was brief, though.
Rita: Did you sense there was anything -- because there have been some allegations that --
Ahmad: No. They're like brothers. They're just like brothers.
Rita: Do you think a lot of people are confusing affection for going over the line?
Ahmad: Yeah. But right now when -- if Macaulay testifies he's going to prove everyone wrong that Michael's not a pedophile. And I know he's not going to cry or anything like that, he's just going to tell everybody the straight truth that "Michael is not a pedophile. He didn't molest me or anybody around me."
Rita: Alright guys, thank you very much everybody for being here. Juwad, also we thank you for being here too. You're adorable, thank you.
(Transcribed by TSColdMan)
Guthrie: Judge will allow in the Accuser's prior sexual behavior.
He will not allow in the ridiculous (my word) "vaseline" story
He will not allow in the ridiculous (my word) "vaseline" story
This guy is a friend of Michael's he has been on talk shows defending Mike. He has had some harse things to say about G-Boy. This is nothing for/against MJ as this guy is just one of many witnesses. He was listed as a potential witness. I don't think anyone will get him off his story: He and his young brother stayed at neverland without incident. So he will not be an issue for MJ or TS.
I feel bad for him, actually. I've seen him standing up for MJ like a lion when others have tried to act a little funny(Culkin). I would like to know the full circumstances of this. He is 18 and the girl was 14 at the time. I wonder if he knew her age. I hope it isn't as it is reported (We know the media). Him and his little brother really seem to love MJ. His brother look to be about 8 and look like he had the time of his life at NL.
The media jumps on anything that might seem to hurt MJ. Why are they not pushing the conflicts in drama mama's testimony? We now have proof that she has lie under oath in this trial. Is that not newsworthy. Where's Edward R MurrowWalter Cronkite when you need them?.....
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Thanks, Whisper...you're the best!!!
In the thread we had last night(Larry King [that was funny as h*ll]), we thought that if this judge let this in he would be sending an even bigger signal as to his true intentions. I still think he's in Sneddon's back pocket but I think he's got to leave himself a way to get off this sinking ship! Awesome! Letting the kid's sexual history must be BIG. Mez is kicking *ss!!
Danielle Oliver
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Who will take the stand next week? Corey Feldman will testify? :yuk
Danielle Oliver
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Who will take the stand next week? Corey Feldman will testify?
I hope Feldman does testify. If he does, Mez can play the police interview where they terrorized him and he still said nothing happened. He also said that he was molested and named the person who molested him, according to CJ. But they didn't want a real molester, they wanted MJ. They also have his statements on Larry King. They have many of witnesses on him. I also think its great because it shows how jealousy, envy, and vindictiveness all work together in this case as well.
:sneddoncr
Eboni...which item are you referring to.
The story about the defense witness arrested or the rulings by the judge today?
In either case, the kid that was arrested is unfortunate but he was only a potential witness in the first place. The other motions that were decided today were in MJ favor.
Correct me if I'm wrong but both of the motions that whisper mentioned are wins for the defense.
:sneddoncr